Discuss Godzila proti Kongu

You know Rebecca Hall's character proudly and confidently proclaims "I made a promise.....to protect her" when referring to that little kid who has some kind of asinine special relation with the giant ape. Well, apparently his parenting and protection involves allowing the kid to run around freely on Skull island and letting the kid have private meetings with said ape. Kind of ironic considering that this particular ape has a tendency to go berserk and on wild rampages and also she herself says later in that same discussion "That no-one can keep the reigns on Kong".

I wasn't sure I could stomach this garbage all the way to end but luckily right from the start we are introduced to several strong independent women characters! For some reason their male counterparts aren't portrayed in such a positive light as one is described as a coward, one is portrayed as incompetent and the third is clearly evil. Clearly this is what modern audiences want to see in movies and Hollywood delivers once again.

It's a good thing this movie has a 86% review score on this site. 'The godfather' has 87% and 'The godfather II' has 86% and that is exactly what I was thinking when this watching this movie: oh man this is the Godfather or Citizen Kane of our generation!

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Ugh.....truly the worst movie I have seen all year and most likely will be the worst movie to come out all year. Well deserving of a solid 1/10 rating and has zero redeeming factors. Well, maybe one: Kyle Chandler did such a terrible acting job in the previous movie they've pretty much reduced his role to a cameo. Then again they've filled his spot with equally talented thespians so it's not like the quality of the movie has gone up.

I should note that if you love the kid-lizard/ape or woman-lizard/angle this movie will be right up your alley because they've really amped up the volume on that silliness in this stinker. Not sure what movie the reviewer who wrote "Also they seemed to learn from the past mistakes (with Godzilla and Godzilla: King of the Monsters) of doing too much with the human characters, here they are thankfully just window dressing for the battle between the two titans." was watching because it is the exact opposite. There is probably not a single part in the movie where there is more than 10 minutes between scenes of the kid having some kind of an emotional scene/dialogue with the giant ape. Then there's also the Scooby do....excuse me Millie Bobbie Brown kid gang who break into a billion dollar research facility that doesn't seem to have a single camera in it. Apparently not even in the test chamber. You'd think it would be kind of important to record your findings, but what do I know. I also love the underground train they sneak into whose doors just automatically unlock when they reach their destination and nobody is there to receive the valuable cargo so they are just free to waltz into the research facility. Luckily their hard work is rewarded handsomely when they realize that all it takes to defeat mecha-godzilla is to pour some booze onto a supercomputer. This sort of subtle technological wizardry has previously been used by such tech-savvy intellectuals like Steven Seagal in 'Under Siege 2' who didn't have any booze handy, but figured shooting the computer with a handgun would also do the trick nicely.

Why would anyone watch this movie? Are people really that bored?

@MongoLloyd said:

Why would anyone watch this movie? Are people really that bored?

Huh? It's a monster fight movie not a period drama.

I know what it is, hence my questions.

It wasn't a question more like a little girl not understanding why people don't like the things she likes.

No, it's an actual bona fide question. I'm a hobbyist screenwriter and filmmaker and I truly do not understand what is even remotely interesting about two CGI creatures fighting. I used to watch Godzilla on TV when I was a kid, but that was when I was a kid. I'm not a kid anymore. Is it because some people just have a child-like appreciation of CGI creatures fighting?

@MongoLloyd said:

No, it's an actual bona fide question. I'm a hobbyist screenwriter and filmmaker and I truly do not understand what is even remotely interesting about two CGI creatures fighting. I used to watch Godzilla on TV when I was a kid, but that was when I was a kid. I'm not a kid anymore. Is it because some people just have a child-like appreciation of CGI creatures fighting?

I can't wait to see your movie...and the comments about it afterward. 😏

Can I chime in here, as a third party/aspiring film historian/classic fanatic? I'd like to put in my two cents, and my two cents may not even be worth two cents, but you can have 'em for free. wink

@MongoLloyd said:

Why would anyone watch this movie? Are people really that bored?

In this user's defense, I'm asking the same question. Some friends of the family watched this movie yesterday, and it was "kinda lame" to quote part of their report. I have not personally seen this "film," but I've seen a few monster movies in my time, and it seems to me that they all tend to be as silly and predictable as the next one. Exempting, perhaps, the original King Kong from 1933, because it was the first. It was a new idea for its time! If you look at its ratings and reviews, it still holds up today, some 88 years after its release.

Maybe the more pertinent question is, "Why does an old formula have to be rehashed yet again?" Did you know, for example, that King Kong Vs. Godzilla was made in 1963? Creativity and fresh ideas are just a couple of things sorely lacking in today's film industry. Instead of just repeating the same old thing, people need to use their God-given brain power and come up with some new ideas for our time!

Monster movies, superhero/action movies ... it's all just FX and mindless nonsense, lacking in any innovative plot development. In 1931, movies like Chaplin's beautiful landmark film City Lights were made. Ninety years later, in 2021, what do we have? Godzilla Vs. Kong.

A lady I know once said to me, "Do you know why they made such good movies back then? It was because they didn't know how to blow everything up, and so they actually had to tell a story!"

I'm a hobbyist screenwriter and filmmaker and I truly do not understand what is even remotely interesting about two CGI creatures fighting.

Well, I don't blame you. I don't understand it either. Today, too many movies rely on special effects, nonstop action, explosions, and what? Instead of great acting talent (think James Stewart, Cary Grant, Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis and the like), we have two giant CGI creatures duking it out. Back in the day, people would go to the theater and be entertained by intelligent filmmaking, and excellent acting. Today, it appears we have lost both.

@barrymost said:

Well, I don't blame you. I don't understand it either. Today, too many movies rely on special effects, nonstop action, explosions, and what? Instead of great acting talent (think James Stewart, Cary Grant, Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis and the like), we have two giant CGI creatures duking it out. Back in the day, people would go to the theater and be entertained by intelligent filmmaking, and excellent acting. Today, it appears we have lost both.

When was that day? Throughout all time, people have always been entertained by the stupidest shit, and that's okay. 😂

@barrymost said:

Can I chime in here, as a third party/aspiring film historian/classic fanatic? I'd like to put in my two cents, and my two cents may not even be worth two cents, but you can have 'em for free. wink

@MongoLloyd said:

Why would anyone watch this movie? Are people really that bored?

In this user's defense, I'm asking the same question. Some friends of the family watched this movie yesterday, and it was "kinda lame" to quote part of their report. I have not personally seen this "film," but I've seen a few monster movies in my time, and it seems to me that they all tend to be as silly and predictable as the next one. Exempting, perhaps, the original King Kong from 1933, because it was the first. It was a new idea for its time! If you look at its ratings and reviews, it still holds up today, some 88 years after its release.

Maybe the more pertinent question is, "Why does an old formula have to be rehashed yet again?" Did you know, for example, that King Kong Vs. Godzilla was made in 1963? Creativity and fresh ideas are just a couple of things sorely lacking in today's film industry. Instead of just repeating the same old thing, people need to use their God-given brain power and come up with some new ideas for our time!

Monster movies, superhero/action movies ... it's all just FX and mindless nonsense, lacking in any innovative plot development. In 1931, movies like Chaplin's beautiful landmark film City Lights were made. Ninety years later, in 2021, what do we have? Godzilla Vs. Kong.

A lady I know once said to me, "Do you know why they made such good movies back then? It was because they didn't know how to blow everything up, and so they actually had to tell a story!"

I'm a hobbyist screenwriter and filmmaker and I truly do not understand what is even remotely interesting about two CGI creatures fighting.

Well, I don't blame you. I don't understand it either. Today, too many movies rely on special effects, nonstop action, explosions, and what? Instead of great acting talent (think James Stewart, Cary Grant, Katharine Hepburn, Bette Davis and the like), we have two giant CGI creatures duking it out. Back in the day, people would go to the theater and be entertained by intelligent filmmaking, and excellent acting. Today, it appears we have lost both.

Oh God another hobbyist filmmaker and Alfred Hitchcock wannabe that'll never amount to much.

Oh God another hobbyist filmmaker and Alfred Hitchcock wannabe that'll never amount to much.

I suppose everyone with an interest in the art of classic film is in some way an Alfred Hitchcock wannabe, though there can never be another Alfred Hitchcock. So thank you for the compliment. 😉

@Innovator said:

@MongoLloyd said:

No, it's an actual bona fide question. I'm a hobbyist screenwriter and filmmaker and I truly do not understand what is even remotely interesting about two CGI creatures fighting. I used to watch Godzilla on TV when I was a kid, but that was when I was a kid. I'm not a kid anymore. Is it because some people just have a child-like appreciation of CGI creatures fighting?

I can't wait to see your movie...and the comments about it afterward. 😏

HERR DERR I CANT WADE TO SEE YOOR MOOVIE...

I'm not here to entertain you, pal.

@barrymost said:

Maybe the more pertinent question is, "Why does an old formula have to be rehashed yet again?"

I blame (in part) the popularity of video games on the dumbing down of movie audiences. More and more, I see big budget movies that are essentially identical to video game story lines. What is John Wick? A guy shooting people. That's really about it. He's shooting from a standing position, shooting from a motorcycle, shooting from a horse, shooting from a seated position, and shooting ALL the bad guys. And what's the plot? Someone did him wrong and he's going to shoot everyone involved.

Escapist entertainment notwithstanding, this stuff just makes people dumb.

So we have a captive audience of aesthetically and intellectually stunted people in the 18-24 and 25-39 year old demographic who think gun play and car chases and CGI creatures are compelling, and they are who the studios are catering to.

@MongoLloyd said:

@barrymost said:

Maybe the more pertinent question is, "Why does an old formula have to be rehashed yet again?"

I blame (in part) the popularity of video games on the dumbing down of movie audiences. More and more, I see big budget movies that are essentially identical to video game story lines. What is John Wick? A guy shooting people. That's really about it. He's shooting from a standing position, shooting from a motorcycle, shooting from a horse, shooting from a seated position, and shooting ALL the bad guys. And what's the plot? Someone did him wrong and he's going to shoot everyone involved.

Escapist entertainment notwithstanding, this stuff just makes people dumb.

So we have a captive audience of aesthetically and intellectually stunted people in the 18-24 and 25-39 year old demographic who think gun play and car chases and CGI creatures are compelling, and they are who the studios are catering to.

You said it, my friend. Glad there's someone else who gets it. I think the purpose of films should be not only to entertain (which should be the predominant purpose, yes) but also in many cases, to educate, or enlighten, or get a point across. Above all, movies should tell good stories, in a well-crafted, intelligent manner.

@MongoLloyd said:

@barrymost said:

Maybe the more pertinent question is, "Why does an old formula have to be rehashed yet again?"

I blame (in part) the popularity of video games on the dumbing down of movie audiences. More and more, I see big budget movies that are essentially identical to video game story lines. What is John Wick? A guy shooting people. That's really about it. He's shooting from a standing position, shooting from a motorcycle, shooting from a horse, shooting from a seated position, and shooting ALL the bad guys. And what's the plot? Someone did him wrong and he's going to shoot everyone involved.

Escapist entertainment notwithstanding, this stuff just makes people dumb.

So we have a captive audience of aesthetically and intellectually stunted people in the 18-24 and 25-39 year old demographic who think gun play and car chases and CGI creatures are compelling, and they are who the studios are catering to.

That's ironic considering I saw you in a thread drooling over an intellectually stunted sci-fi space movie about a woman who can read men's thoughts. This is dumb fun for two hours and people who watch it treat it as such except you mongo, you're the only on this thread seeing Godzilla and Kong as a serious threat to people's mental health.

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