The Issue of Studio Control: part 2

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في نوفمبر 27, 2019 عند الساعة 1:29 مساءا

So a while ago I posed a horrifying notion about studio control.

The discussion is here if you're interested.

But to summarize: As Netflix frequently provides directors with full control of their films yet directors who have hitherto made very good cinematic releases have often struggled to make a satisfying impact on the streaming service. Does this mean that studio control was a necessary evil all along?

Now a huge director like Scorsese with a massive body of work that everyone is familiar with has made his Netflix debut. And I thought it was very good. But I did think it could have done with a few trims here and there. I did feel there were some parts that were, not bad by any means, but unnecessary. And I wonder if we would have an even better, more focused film with a better flow if Scorsese had shown a bit more self discipline. Even with all this freedom I still don't think that The Irishman is up to the high standard of the great man's heyday.

This also makes me wonder if previous Scorsese classics might be as great as they are because a studio forced him to make cuts. Was Goodfellas originally 3 and a half hours long? Did Taxi Driver take a weird, meandering detour that we will never see?

Are the majority of auteuristic films we love from yesteryear actually the result of studio meddling? Are some of the terrible films a result of the studio giving the director free rein?

I pray it is not true. But I really feel that with such freedoms the overall quality of Netflix films should be a lot higher than it is.

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بتاريخ ديسمبر 8, 2019 في 12:29 مساءا

@JustinJackFlash said:

Once Upon A Time has a kind of sweeping, poetic and emotional vibe to it while The Irishman is quite clinical.

I generally feel that Scorsese has a pretty clinical eye and it's one thing I really love about his cinema. But with this film, it seemed to tire me at times. Either that or the film's long running time did it. Or maybe a combo of the two.

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بتاريخ يناير 27, 2020 في 6:12 مساءا

@JustinJackFlash said:

@Nexus71 said:

Maybe they could have trimmed the end a bit,but I feel it is still somewhat needed.Like Leone he takes his time .In Once Upon A Time there are also these lengthy scenes that could have been trimmed like in the opening where we have the phone ringing with Noodles in the opium den,or the scene when in the present when Noodles is exploring the mausoleum etc.

You did bring to light many similarities between the two films that I never noticed so I do agree Scorsese took inspiration from Leone. But I do feel they are quite different in tone. Once Upon A Time has a kind of sweeping, poetic and emotional vibe to it while The Irishman is quite clinical. The former style does suit extremely long films more. I did actually think to myself while watching The Irishman "This would be better with some trims here and there". It was kind of repetitive, with a few more scenes of gangsters arguing than was necessary.

Well it could be that in the case of Leone's film it was intended to be poetic and emotional and dreamlike.There is this theory surrounding Once Upon A Time that all the events that play out after the phone ringing (so after the death of Noodles' mates) is actually not real and all part of an opium induced pipe dream which Leone himself did not deny after being asked about it (he never confirmed it either)but it could be interpreted as such(which would explain the ending of the shot of De Niro lying on his back looking at the camera above him while he is in the opium den smiling)

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