All of those J. J. Abrams projects were messed up up not by 'time travel' as such, but by 'alternative universes and alternate timelines'. I think these two alternates reduce to the same thing.

I think the guy has some kind of monomania happening with this stuff. It is becoming comical in a way even funnier than Kevin Smith's accounts of Jon Peters obsession with giant metal spiders. Well it would be funnier if it didn't happen in nearly every single project that has Abrams' name on it.

I appreciate that we live in derivative times and that homage/plagiarism/shout-outs are everywhere and original ideas are rare. But this 'thing' of Abrams' was only ever mildly intriguing the first time he started this stuff, and it was an old idea even then. But now he is looking like a one trick pony.

Seriously, are there NO writers in the English speaking world deserving of a shot at a mainstream project that the same poor writers are given second, third and twelfth tries?

@volkstraum said:

• Star Trek

Eh, two of the top 3 best Star Trek movies use time travel (Voyage Home and First Contact). The JJ movies aren't worse than Star Trek 5.

Look, I agree that time travel can lead to some really lazy writing, but in this case I think it actually opens up a whole (multi)universe of possibilities.

@cswood said:

@volkstraum said:

• Star Trek

Eh, two of the top 3 best Star Trek movies use time travel (Voyage Home and First Contact). The JJ movies aren't worse than Star Trek 5.

Look, I agree that time travel can lead to some really lazy writing, but in this case I think it actually opens up a whole (multi)universe of possibilities.

In what galaxy/parallel dimension is Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home considered among the top 3 best Star Trek films?

According to this site http://littlespikeyland.com/st_odd_even.php it ranks third of the original ST movies on imdb.

Imo the issue with time travel/other dimensions storylines is that the writer needs to be REALLY on their game regarding continuity and paradox problems. This doesn't matter much for a kids' movie or a comedy, like Back to the Future, but if it is going to be Science Fiction, there has to be at least a token respect for science in the writing, or at the very least a respect for logic and common sense. On this score Cloverfield Paradox ranks lower than even the average 1950s B movie SF schlock.

What?? How say this star trek voyage home is number one star trek film it so funny. I loving it when the punk saying to captain james "screw you"! and then Spock he do vulcain death grip! It very funny

I'm surprised nobody's said X-Men yet; Wolverine going into the past in DOFP threw a monkey wrench into that franchise rather nicely!!

@volkstraum said:

@cswood said:

@volkstraum said:

• Star Trek

Eh, two of the top 3 best Star Trek movies use time travel (Voyage Home and First Contact). The JJ movies aren't worse than Star Trek 5.

Look, I agree that time travel can lead to some really lazy writing, but in this case I think it actually opens up a whole (multi)universe of possibilities.

In what galaxy/parallel dimension is Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home considered among the top 3 best Star Trek films?

It's top 3 in ALL dimensions, dude!

@Satch_the_man said:

I'm surprised nobody's said X-Men yet; Wolverine going into the past in DOFP threw a monkey wrench into that franchise rather nicely!!

Huh? The OP said "ruined" by time travel...Xmen DOFP was the best one of the franchise. And mainly because it erased the crap that was The Last Stand!