@mechajutaro said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@mechajutaro said:

Everyone's pro-free speech, as long as this applies to speech which seems to confirm our own dogmas. Not so much, when it comes to speech that challenges our beliefs.

Personally, I find myself to be rather pro-free speech, but if someone is simply going to deploy hate speech against me over and over again, I'm not so sure how supportive I am going to be of that.

I'm not gonna look up a bunch of B.S. arguments on the net; I'll simply state that I feel hate speech to be a form of free speech. But it's the form of free speech I'm least inclined to defend.

And I'll tell a person to go walk their dogma in a heartbeat.

That all sounds very humane, until we start trying to define "hate speech" itself. Fierce criticisms of white nationalism and Richard Spencer could easily be defined as hate speech. I will agree with you kinda sorta and indirectly also, in that I believe most reasonable would draw a distinction between things that are said in print and in a speech made before a rally of like minded people vs. walking up to someone in a bar, and hurling fifteen minutes worth of epithets and abuse down on to the target. The latter really is just plain out harassment, and the perpetrator has no exceptions of things not turning violent

Well, "we" shouldn't define "hate speech." As far as I'm concerned, I get to define "hate speech," when I am the one being hated on. LOL.

@CelluloidFan said:

@mechajutaro said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@mechajutaro said:

Everyone's pro-free speech, as long as this applies to speech which seems to confirm our own dogmas. Not so much, when it comes to speech that challenges our beliefs.

Personally, I find myself to be rather pro-free speech, but if someone is simply going to deploy hate speech against me over and over again, I'm not so sure how supportive I am going to be of that.

I'm not gonna look up a bunch of B.S. arguments on the net; I'll simply state that I feel hate speech to be a form of free speech. But it's the form of free speech I'm least inclined to defend.

And I'll tell a person to go walk their dogma in a heartbeat.

That all sounds very humane, until we start trying to define "hate speech" itself. Fierce criticisms of white nationalism and Richard Spencer could easily be defined as hate speech. I will agree with you kinda sorta and indirectly also, in that I believe most reasonable would draw a distinction between things that are said in print and in a speech made before a rally of like minded people vs. walking up to someone in a bar, and hurling fifteen minutes worth of epithets and abuse down on to the target. The latter really is just plain out harassment, and the perpetrator has no exceptions of things not turning violent

Well, "we" shouldn't define "hate speech." As far as I'm concerned, I get to define "hate speech," when I am the one being hated on. LOL.

BTW, the above sentence and the one in my previous post about deploying hate speech over and over again are hypotheticals. I wouldn't want anyone to misconstrue my posts' content as whining.