@Moviedibert345 said:

I have the feeling that results are going to be the same. Me snoozing in my chair.

It's a good movie (the only part I didn't like were the scenes at the airport), watch it on BluRay though and don't ever watch it if it comes on a regular TV station (too many cuts/edits).

Spoilers **Spoilers **

Take a moment to look away if you need to. This film is great but alas, the ending is unforgivable; in part that it sets the sombre and depressing tone for the dreadful films which followed. I'd like a fan-edit to somehow miraculously repair this, consigning the later films to the bin where they belong.

The sooner 007 is handed off to more capable hands and a less miserable soul the better - the wait continues.

@Sociolect Why not both of them? If for no reason, to admire the time (it took them 24 days to film the Poker scenes) and effort the producers put into making up IMHO, one of the best parts of the movie.

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@Moviedibert345 said:

I have the feeling that results are going to be the same. Me snoozing in my chair.

Guess again. THIS is the best Craig Bond film yet, by far.

@MongoLloyd I totally, totally agree with you. The poker scenes are one of the best parts of the movie (did you know that it took 24 days to shoot that entire sequence?)!

BTW: is that Christopher Walken in your ID circle?

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Worth it for Eva Green...

@Moviedibert345 After I answered your post, I forgot that while the Casino Royale Poker Game was a bit dull, I remembered that it was breaks that had more action. For instance, Bond killing those Ugandan Warlords, and when La Chefiffe (sorry for the spelling) poisons Bond's and Bond nearly dies.

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@PhelpsFan said:

@MongoLloyd I totally, totally agree with you. The poker scenes are one of the best parts of the movie (did you know that it took 24 days to shoot that entire sequence?)!

BTW: is that Christopher Walken in your ID circle?

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Just from a story perspective, it outshines all the other Craig Bond films, but yeah, the poker scene, the opening chase scene, the poisoning scene, actual characters with some depth, Eva Green...

Yeah, that's Walken, hehe.

@MongoLloyd That's cool about Christopher Walken in your circle. Tell me, what was your opinion of him as the villian in A View To A Kill?

Although you're right about Casino Royale, I am one of those people who really liked Quantum Of Solace. IMO, I think that it wasn't well received was because it was a first for the Bond movies (a direct sequel). As you know, usually at the end of a Bond movie, he goes off into the sunset with the female lead, and that's the last the last you ever see of her. Vesper was different to Bond. He was so in love with her that her death really affected him. And I thought it was interesting that the beginning of QOS starts takes place ten minutes after the end of Casino Royale.

We both could say a lot of other things about QOS, but I've always believed that the Bond franchise embraces all different sorts of people who liked (or not) the different Bonds, etc.

I guess I'm being a little sensitive lately because a week ago I posted in one of the Bond boards that I thought Spectre was okay but it seemed like "Daniel Craig's Greatest Bond Hits" and someone posted back that because I had the nerve to say that about Spectre, it proved that I hated ALL Bond movies (WTF? )

Anyway, I have go study for my college class so have a happy Fourth of July and take care.

I actually don't remember ever seeing AVTAK but I'm downloading it now :-)

I also really like Quantum, but I feel like CR is superior even without Olga, hehe.

What I love about the Craig Bond films is he's a bit of a rogue agent who runs off and does stuff he wants to do rather than only awaiting orders and acting on orders. In the end, he achieves the desired result, but he drives M nuts in the process.

I honestly don't remember much about Spectre at all, which means it wasn't memorable and more than likely a weak film. I vaguely remember Lea Seydoux fighting with another female character... and... Jeremy Renner?

Skyfall, I had big issues with, not the least of which was a villain capable of hacking satellites, computers, etc., who then shows up to the Skyfall estate with his henchmen to elicit an old school attack with guns. For a high tech guy with all his capabilities, you'd think he'd have waged a high tech attack. That was disappointing.

@MongoLloyd said:

I actually don't remember ever seeing AVTAK but I'm downloading it now :-)

I also really like Quantum, but I feel like CR is superior even without Olga, hehe.

What I love about the Craig Bond films is he's a bit of a rogue agent who runs off and does stuff he wants to do rather than only awaiting orders and acting on orders. In the end, he achieves the desired result, but he drives M nuts in the process.

I honestly don't remember much about Spectre at all, which means it wasn't memorable and more than likely a weak film. I vaguely remember Lea Seydoux fighting with another female character... and... Jeremy Renner?

Lol

@MongoLloyd said: Skyfall, I had big issues with, not the least of which was a villain capable of hacking satellites, computers, etc., who then shows up to the Skyfall estate with his henchmen to elicit an old school attack with guns. For a high tech guy with all his capabilities, you'd think he'd have waged a high tech attack. That was disappointing.

But he did wage a "high tech" attack at Skyfall manor. That was the whole point of the theme threaded in the film: old vs new. Silva used a helicopter armed with the lasted tech. His men carried modern rifles and had smoke grenades. That is a polar opposite to Bond's ancient house, his old shotguns, Kincade and M are tired but also "played out" and he uses his '64 Aston for crying out loud!! So it was an old school vs new school action scene.

"Sometimes the old ways are the best."

@Russ007 said:

His men carried modern rifles and had smoke grenades. That is a polar opposite to Bond's ancient house, his old shotguns, Kincade and M are tired but also "played out" and he uses his '64 Aston for crying out loud!! So it was an old school vs new school action scene.

"Sometimes the old ways are the best."

I think it's dumb, lazy, uncreative, and pandering to the John Wick loving crowd. The showdown in The Equalizer at The Home Depot store was more compelling than the end of Skyfall.

Equalizer had Denzel... No comparison...

@Renovatio The Equaliser movie version may have had Denzel, but the tv version had Edward Woodward and Robert Lansing.

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@MongoLloyd said:

@Russ007 said:

His men carried modern rifles and had smoke grenades. That is a polar opposite to Bond's ancient house, his old shotguns, Kincade and M are tired but also "played out" and he uses his '64 Aston for crying out loud!! So it was an old school vs new school action scene.

"Sometimes the old ways are the best."

I think it's dumb, lazy, uncreative, and pandering to the John Wick loving crowd. The showdown in The Equalizer at The Home Depot store was more compelling than the end of Skyfall.

Um, SF came out way before JW, so drop the "pandering" act. There aren't many connections to JW either. However, the stylized fist fights could be seen as a loose similarity, I presume.

Back to the themes:

SF wasn't only an action film. It was also - wait for it - an intellectual film. People who naturally detest SF obviously didn't take note of the deep embedded themes in the movie. These central themes are integral in understanding the motives for their actions. If you don't pick up on them, then it'll ruin the enjoyment of the film.

A well known example is why Silva would let himself get caught. Stupid, you say? Not exactly. It's about betrayal and justice. Silva MUST see M face to face and tell her how he feels before killing her. At the start he wants her to feel guilty by showing her how much death is caused due to her questionable decisions (the audience is left to decide if she was right or wrong). At the end Silva wants M to kill them both with the same shot, because that is his twisted idea of forcing her to admit her own faults and thus admitting that he was right about her. It would basically insinuate that M is just as bad of a person as Silva. Then Bond intervenes but at this point in the film the audience knew she had to go. She had blood on her hands (in more ways than one) and her mission about finishing the job without others' loss of life was done. So she was no longer an 'innocent' person and also had no further purpose really.