@ausfem said:

It flopped for one simple reason. It's not Harrison Ford. He IS Han Solo... Can't replace perfection

Yet it drives me nuts that Ford hated the character. It just seems disrespectful to hate the role that pretty defined whether or not you would have retired a carpenter with 0 helicopters to your name. For shame (puts paper bag over head and walks away).

@movie_nazi said:

@ausfem said:

It flopped for one simple reason. It's not Harrison Ford. He IS Han Solo... Can't replace perfection

Yet it drives me nuts that Ford hated the character. It just seems disrespectful to hate the role that pretty defined whether or not you would have retired a carpenter with 0 helicopters to your name. For shame (puts paper bag over head and walks away).

Eh, I think he's one of those guys that feels that the character besmirches him as a serious actor. Whatever, there are plenty of actors like that. In all honesty, it doesn't stop me from enjoying Ford's performances or his performance as Solo.

He owns it. Plenty of artists aren't always happy with their creations.

@simian_ninja said:

@movie_nazi said:

@ausfem said:

It flopped for one simple reason. It's not Harrison Ford. He IS Han Solo... Can't replace perfection

Yet it drives me nuts that Ford hated the character. It just seems disrespectful to hate the role that pretty defined whether or not you would have retired a carpenter with 0 helicopters to your name. For shame (puts paper bag over head and walks away).

Eh, I think he's one of those guys that feels that the character besmirches him as a serious actor. Whatever, there are plenty of actors like that. In all honesty, it doesn't stop me from enjoying Ford's performances or his performance as Solo.

He owns it. Plenty of artists aren't always happy with their creations.

If only he had any acting chops to besmirch. It seems the ones who should be most humble are the least. I love Ford's Solo and he did a well enough creating that character but let's be honest, Ford's acting spectrum is quite limited.

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

1. Proximity of release too close to The Last Jedi irrespective of thoughts on whether it was any good. Maybe an Xmas release would have saved it?

Or something else?

What do you think the main reason has been?

Point number five is close to what I had thought all along, Solo came out way too soon after the last Star Wars movie. A later release might have saved it if it was a Christmas 2019 or summer 2020 release. Even so, I really enjoyed Solo and I didn't get all caught up on who played a young Han Solo. The movie did after all get a 7.1 on IMDB.

I didn't realize it had done so badly. The international gross hasn't made over 200 million:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

I thought it would have done better internationally but nope, made less money than its US gross! I can't see how Disney/Lucasfilm will ever risk another theatrically released SW spin-off movie. It's too risky. It's a pity if Star Wars fans don't get to see an Obi-Wan spin-off movie (could have major potential) but Solo goes to show not even the mighty Star Wars franchise is immune to box office failure.

@fan_of_films said:

I didn't realize it had done so badly. The international gross hasn't made over 200 million:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

I thought it would have done better internationally but nope, made less money than its US gross! I can't see how Disney/Lucasfilm will ever risk another theatrically released SW spin-off movie. It's too risky. It's a pity if Star Wars fans don't get to see an Obi-Wan spin-off movie (could have major potential) but Solo goes to show not even the mighty Star Wars franchise is immune to box office failure.

Well actually this a cautionary tale of what happens when you take a massive fan base for granted. But I think Disney still wants to roll out a Boba Fett. Dont know if they canceled that after this shit show yet.

@fan_of_films said:

I didn't realize it had done so badly. The international gross hasn't made over 200 million:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm

I thought it would have done better internationally but nope, made less money than its US gross! I can't see how Disney/Lucasfilm will ever risk another theatrically released SW spin-off movie. It's too risky. It's a pity if Star Wars fans don't get to see an Obi-Wan spin-off movie (could have major potential) but Solo goes to show not even the mighty Star Wars franchise is immune to box office failure.

Its not that people are done with Star Wars people are done with Kathleen Kennedy screwing it up for her own agenda.

It feels so weird saying, "I'm glad a Star Wars film flopped." If you would have told that to me in 1983 that one day you feel be happy to watch a SW flop I woulda called the boys in white coats to haul you away. I honestly would be happy if they just stopped everything and started with a clean slate back to episode 7. This new trilogy needs a late stage abortion, heck its been an abortion from the very start.

@mcse2000ca said:

Its not that people are done with Star Wars people are done with Kathleen Kennedy screwing it up for her own agenda.

Please enlighten me, I have no idea what you mean by saying Kennedy's own agenda. For what it's worth, Solo had a pace and quirkiness (that I liked) similar to the original Star Wars...it was a lot of fun to watch and even more adventurous than even the most recent Star Wars movies (and those I enjoyed too.)

Maybe the issue (and it's not an issue to me) is I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but I do really enjoy them. I saw the first one when it original came out in theatres and couldn't wait for the sequel. Saw the 3rd one in 1983 and was a bit disappointed with it as it started seeming to me it was more for kids than anything else. The one with young Darth Vader was interesting only because it gave some insight on his experiences and how he grew up. The rest of the movies after that at least to me were junk...even the restored versions of the originals I felt were junk. When Disney took it over, the newest of the Star Wars movies were the best I've seen since The Empire Strikes Back.

I enjoy the movies, and sure you can call me a Star Wars fan, in as much as I I'm also a fan of many different movie series, but non of them have continued on anywhere as long as Star Wars. Rabid fans can point out all the differences between the originals and the restored version, rabid fans can name every character and describe in great detail what each scene means and how each action and/or dialogue effects other characters in cause and effect across all the movies. Rabid fans get dressed up as their favorite character and go to the conventions, rabid fans have their living spaces overflowing with Star Wars collectibles.

I'm not a rabid fan, though I do enjoy the entertainment received from the story and special effects on the screen. Occasionally I'll view old interviews on YouTube from the 1970s of some of the actors and it's interesting to me to learn of their thoughts during that time, but more because of an appreciation of what took place and reflect on how one movie changed the course in the direction of how Sci-Fi movies from that point on can be about, and how they can look.

So in doing my best to check out the latest and greatest Star Wars from Disney...I was simply surprised at the pace of the new releases. I kept thinking, ok, they spent a lot of money on that franchise and they deserve to reap the benefits of everything they put into it. And I think they did a damn good job...giving the fans more of what they were hungry for; bringing back a story line (and look) that's similar if not the same in many ways the look and feel of those original Star Wars movies.

When the 3rd new Star Wars movie came out, I was on one hand very surprised they were able to do that in such a short time, but on the other, I was off to the races to see it in the theatre. And almost within the same breath of just watching the last one; I was shocked when I saw another trailer of yet another Star Wars movie called Solo. It was only then did I think it was getting ridiculous and in fact it was simply way too soon. It was also a bit confusing to me as I didn't fully understand why they would do this...at least that soon. I even thought I probably won't be going out of my way to catch this one (though I'd probably see it at the drive-in.) By the way the drive-in to me guys (and gals) is to me the same as to how others might catch movies they don't see in the theatre except only to catch it on some sort of home video service like cable/satellite, or some type of video disc media.

To my great surprise when I did see Solo at the drive-in; I found myself really getting into it like I did with the original Star Wars. Not being a rabid fan, I wasn't all caught up about who, or who did not play a certain character (in this case Solo,) nor did I know people were talking and/or complaining about it. I thought whoever it was playing Solo did a good job of capturing the spirit of what he could have been like when he was younger. It even captured a few things that happened in the movie which could be seen as a foreshadowing of what took place in the original Star Wars...I thought that was a nice touch.

So in saying all of that, since I'm not a rabid fan, I have no idea who Kathleen Kennedy is (except for now that I just looked her up,) and discovered that she co-founded the production company Amblin Entertainment with Steven Spielberg back in 1981. That is all I know, and I have no clue how anything could have been screwed up because of her.

I have no idea who Kathleen Kennedy is (except for now that I just looked her up,) and discovered that she co-founded the production company Amblin Entertainment with Steven Spielberg back in 1981. That is all I know, and I have no clue how anything could have been screwed up because of her.

From what I understand, Kathleen Kennedy (president of Lucasfilm), and Bob Iger, CEO of Disney, have final say on all Star Wars films/spin-offs. She approves the pitches, draft scripts, the hiring of writers/directors. Many Star Wars fans disliked/hated The Last Jedi and blame her for approving the screenplay and hiring Ryan Johnson as director. Johnson wrote the screenplay.

It's been suggested one of the main reasons why Solo has done so badly is because SW fans wanted to punish Lucasfilm for The Last Jedi. I guess many fans didn't go and see Solo and the ones that did were not prepared to see it two or three times. The box office take would suggest that is what happened. My guess is if Ep 9 does not make a billion dollars worldwide. Kennedy will be removed as president and Disney will do a reboot on Star Wars. Forget the existing continuity and start again with ep 10 or whatever the next trilogy is called.

If you don't like modern era Star Wars then Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. It's no different to fans loving the original trilogy but disliking the prequels. George Lucas went from hero to zero after the release of The Phantom Menace. It was a bit sad to see that happen, and not all fans dislike the prequels, but the dislike of Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson is no different to what happened after the release of Ep 1.

@fan_of_films said:

If you don't like modern era Star Wars then Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. It's no different to fans loving the original trilogy but disliking the prequels. George Lucas went from hero to zero after the release of The Phantom Menace. It was a bit sad to see that happen, and not all fans dislike the prequels, but the dislike of Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson is no different to what happened after the release of Ep 1.

For me personally, I didn't hate the prequels. They had their problems but they were nowhere near as bad as the Kennedy movies. At least they adhered to the lore. TPM I hated the most and it was the little Ani scenes (mostly) that ruined it for me.

@movie_nazi said:

@fan_of_films said:

If you don't like modern era Star Wars then Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. It's no different to fans loving the original trilogy but disliking the prequels. George Lucas went from hero to zero after the release of The Phantom Menace. It was a bit sad to see that happen, and not all fans dislike the prequels, but the dislike of Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson is no different to what happened after the release of Ep 1.

For me personally, I didn't hate the prequels. They had their problems but they were nowhere near as bad as the Kennedy movies. At least they adhered to the lore. TPM I hated the most and it was the little Ani scenes (mostly) that ruined it for me.

Are you an angel?

@movie_nazi said:

@fan_of_films said:

If you don't like modern era Star Wars then Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. It's no different to fans loving the original trilogy but disliking the prequels. George Lucas went from hero to zero after the release of The Phantom Menace. It was a bit sad to see that happen, and not all fans dislike the prequels, but the dislike of Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson is no different to what happened after the release of Ep 1.

For me personally, I didn't hate the prequels. They had their problems but they were nowhere near as bad as the Kennedy movies. At least they adhered to the lore. TPM I hated the most and it was the little Ani scenes (mostly) that ruined it for me.

Now this is PODracing!!!