@AlienFanatic said:

@cswood said: plots, and nearly every single new character they have created feels like it was approved of by a committee.

I truly hope Solo and and Episode 9 bomb so Disney rethinks what they are doing, fire Kathleen Kennedy, and hire someone who actually loves Star Wars and knows what they're doing.

I understand the vitriol directed at Disney, who is the pinnacle of corporate intellectual and creative bankruptcy, but it's not going to happen. Solo won't do TFA or TLJ numbers, and probably won't even match Rogue, but I fully expect it to hit at least $700M worldwide by the end of its run. Abrams will sculpt Episode 9 to wipe off some the shit-stains that Rian Johnson left all over the franchise so that E:9 can give fans the warm fuzzies, hopefully make Rey figures sell a little better, and keep the wheelbarrows of money rolling into the Mouse House.

I hate to burst your bubble, but for as many angry OG Star Wars fans as there are, Disney has an endless legion of kids in the wings with handfulls of Mom & Dad's money to spend on it. And when you're dead and buried, the Disney execs will still be driving by your cemetery in Ferraris fueled by $100 bills from the latest Star Wars assembly line movie. It sucks, but that's life.

Abrams was partly responsible for the shit that happened in Episode 8 and I don't think Rey toys were that popular with #7.

@AlienFanatic said:

@A to Z said:

You are treating two completely different phenomena as one. **Marvel is successful because it is fresh and suprising, and extremely well thought out and produced. **Starwars is successful because of nostalgia. The new films are creatively bankrupt. TLJ saw a huge drop from TFA, and Solo is going to tank hard. The Marvel movies are increasing their box office with each film.

That's an opinion, bud. I can't muster any enthusiasm for a bunch of made-up "heroes," no matter what pickle you put them in, because the comic book industry never EVER kills a character permanently. There's no risk. And they're just fantasies, anyway. I can't get get excited about watching pretty actors running around in costumes when I'd rather watch a documentary about someone who really did sacrifice something. Even good dramas with realistic outcomes are more interesting to me because they take risks. These Marvel movies don't. (Yes, I know how Infinity War ended and we can revisit this when we find out what actually happens in the sequel. Let's just say I think they've telegraphed it enough that a grade schooler can guess what happens next.)

So each of the movies is simply an excuse to run from action piece to action piece. Yes, they do it well, but I have had enough, myself. It may be well made, but nothing about them is "fresh" or "surprising" to my mind. But then again, I'm middle aged and I've seen these kinds of movies over decades so they're really not grabbing me anymore.

Well, then I guess you aren't the target audience for films of this type. I've said it on other posts, these types of movies are popcorn entertainment. We know what to expect (more or less) before the first frame rolls. There's comfort in that. Sometimes, we may be in the mood for something more substantial. Something that makes you think. Other times we want mindless, visually spectacular, fun entertainment.