貴子はすごいよ.

@wonder2wonder said:

貴子はすごいよ.

Perfect! Thanks! You can see the scene at the 23 second mark in that video.

Continuity errors will always be a part of movie-making.

Sometimes, after several takes, the best take may have had a wardrobe or prop inconsistency. So, what, shoot it again and risk something else messing up the scene? Producers often draw hard lines on how much they're going to spend, so directors often have to be judicious in how many takes they can shoot.

For me, as long as the error doesn't detract from the story-telling, I'm not inclined to make much of it. There are degrees of bad editing, and continuity errors are at the low end of the scale.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Continuity errors will always be a part of movie-making.

Sometimes, after several takes, the best take may have had a wardrobe or prop inconsistency. So, what, shoot it again and risk something else messing up the scene? Producers often draw hard lines on how much they're going to spend, so directors often have to be judicious in how many takes they can shoot.

For me, as long as the error doesn't detract from the story-telling, I'm not inclined to make much of it. There are degrees of bad editing, and continuity errors are at the low end of the scale.

I betcha Kubrick woulda fixed it.😝

I myself, would have shot it again. Now I do agree that there may be some inconsistencies that can be ignored such as the length of a smoked cigarette, a clock reading one time in one shot and another time in the another but seeing the game collar is such a huge part of the story's plot, I would have been inclined to reshoot it. They spent an entire sequence explaining how the collar cannot be removed upon pain of death and then you see one of them not wearing it? Call me a nitpicker but F that, reshoot it. I'm sure it probably got completely missed or I think they would have as well.

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Continuity errors will always be a part of movie-making.

Sometimes, after several takes, the best take may have had a wardrobe or prop inconsistency. So, what, shoot it again and risk something else messing up the scene? Producers often draw hard lines on how much they're going to spend, so directors often have to be judicious in how many takes they can shoot.

For me, as long as the error doesn't detract from the story-telling, I'm not inclined to make much of it. There are degrees of bad editing, and continuity errors are at the low end of the scale.

I betcha Kubrick woulda fixed it.😝

.... but seeing the game collar is such a huge part of the story's plot, I would have been inclined to reshoot it. They spent an entire sequence explaining how the collar cannot be removed upon pain of death and then you see one of them not wearing it? Call me a nitpicker but F that, reshoot it.

Not only do I absolutely agree with you here, I actually typed "continuity errors that do not affect the plot are at the low end" but changed it when I shouldn't have. And I also slid a bit from shooting to editing, which I realize is kinda incorrect — this is not so much about catching errors in post, but about the director saying "cut, got it" and not realizing something was missed that should be reshot while the set is still up. And, yeah, a scene can be reshot after going to post-editing but, again, there's pressure against that.

@DRDMovieMusings said: And, yeah, a scene can be reshot after going to post-editing but, again, there's pressure against that.

Yep, especially on a film with a low budget. I'm not very familiar with the production company responsible for the film but I do get the impression it didn't have a top dollar budget.

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said: And, yeah, a scene can be reshot after going to post-editing but, again, there's pressure against that.

Yep, especially on a film with a low budget. I'm not very familiar with the production company responsible for the film but I do get the impression it didn't have a top dollar budget.

The production group has tons of money but that's in part because it would appear they are shrewd money managers, because the budget is indeed low.

In my movie ROI database of over 5,600 titles from 1915 to present, I've got 121 titles released in the year 2000, the average production budget for these was $44.4M, ~10x higher than the $4.5M that was spent making this movie.

Budget aside, this movie has a fairly high rating, so they did some things well. Interestingly, its sequel almost doubled the budget...but then lost money.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said: And, yeah, a scene can be reshot after going to post-editing but, again, there's pressure against that.

Yep, especially on a film with a low budget. I'm not very familiar with the production company responsible for the film but I do get the impression it didn't have a top dollar budget.

The production group has tons of money but that's in part because it would appear they are shrewd money managers, because the budget is indeed low.

In my movie ROI database of over 5,600 titles from 1915 to present, I've got 121 titles released in the year 2000, the average production budget for these was $44.4M, ~10x higher than the $4.5M that was spent making this movie.

Budget aside, this movie has a fairly high rating, so they did some things well. Interestingly, its sequel almost doubled the budget...but then lost money.

I've never even watched the sequel. The film did not garner enough curiosity for me to want to watch a sequel. I agree the film did something right but its mostly midsville for me on this film. The acting was decent but the premise was just too cartoonish and over the top. I watched the film this week for the first time in 20 years. I was cleaning out my closet and found my special edition DVD copy of Battle Royale which was a Korean manufacturer and the subtitles on it were terrible. I converted it to a mp4 and found better subtitles online. I still think its funny that the host of that crazy game show Takeshi's Castle (1986) plays the disgruntled principal. That guy actually has an impressive resume. I think he started off as a comedian.

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said: And, yeah, a scene can be reshot after going to post-editing but, again, there's pressure against that.

Yep, especially on a film with a low budget. I'm not very familiar with the production company responsible for the film but I do get the impression it didn't have a top dollar budget.

The production group has tons of money but that's in part because it would appear they are shrewd money managers, because the budget is indeed low.

In my movie ROI database of over 5,600 titles from 1915 to present, I've got 121 titles released in the year 2000, the average production budget for these was $44.4M, ~10x higher than the $4.5M that was spent making this movie.

Budget aside, this movie has a fairly high rating, so they did some things well. Interestingly, its sequel almost doubled the budget...but then lost money.

I converted it to a mp4 and found better subtitles online.

Slick!

@movie_nazi said:

In the scene where you see Chigusa girl #13 running for exercise with the guy following her on a bike you can clearly see she is not wearing the game collar. Then in the very next scene when she is coming down the stairs the collar magically appears around her neck.

Very surprised no-one here has corrected you on this. It was not a continuity error at all, the girl was daydreaming, wishing she was back at home going for a jog with her good friend Hiroki Sugimura by her side.

@FatDamon-C2N said:

@movie_nazi said:

In the scene where you see Chigusa girl #13 running for exercise with the guy following her on a bike you can clearly see she is not wearing the game collar. Then in the very next scene when she is coming down the stairs the collar magically appears around her neck.

Very surprised no-one here has corrected you on this. It was not a continuity error at all, the girl was daydreaming, wishing she was back at home going for a jog with her good friend Hiroki Sugimura by her side.

What? Get out of here! The film did a piss poor job of expressing this as a dream if this is the case. WhyTF would she day dream jogging in the same exact place where they were at? Wouldn't her day dream show her jogging back home? Wearing different clothes than what she is wearing on the BR island? I'mma have to call BS on this one.

I went back and watched the scene and it does indeed look like it is a day dream. She reaches up to her neck as if to say, "Oh shit, I really am in this hell!" and plus the guy that was following her on the bike just disapears. So I do stand corrected but they really did do a terrible job of expressing it was a dream IMO.

@movie_nazi said:

I went back and watched the scene and it does indeed look like it is a day dream. She reaches up to her neck as if to say, "Oh shit, I really am in this hell!" and plus the guy that was following her on the bike just disapears. So I do stand corrected but they really did do a terrible job of expressing it was a dream IMO.

I totally understand the confusion. It was one of the many things the director struggled to convey from novel, he wanted to give a slight nod to the friendship Chigusa and Hiroki had outside of the game, but just shoving it into the film as a randomly out of place daydream sequence was a poor way to show that.

Whatever you may think of the film, I would highly recommend giving the novel a read, it gives the events that occur in the film much more weight to them because the characters have a chance to be fleshed out, no pun intended.

@FatDamon-C2N said:

@movie_nazi said:

I went back and watched the scene and it does indeed look like it is a day dream. She reaches up to her neck as if to say, "Oh shit, I really am in this hell!" and plus the guy that was following her on the bike just disapears. So I do stand corrected but they really did do a terrible job of expressing it was a dream IMO.

I totally understand the confusion. It was one of the many things the director struggled to convey from novel, he wanted to give a slight nod to the friendship Chigusa and Hiroki had outside of the game, but just shoving it into the film as a randomly out of place daydream sequence was a poor way to show that.

Whatever you may think of the film, I would highly recommend giving the novel a read, it gives the events that occur in the film much more weight to them because the characters have a chance to be fleshed out, no pun intended.

I may have to take you up on that suggestion because the motives of the government come off as quite contrived and not believeable in the film. It is what to me hurts the story the most. What does the government hope to accomplish by terrorizing children like this? As dull as I find The Hunger Games , at least they came up with a semi believable reason to have children kill themselves in a competition. Here its like, "Children are unruly and don't respect adults. F'em. Lets pass a law that allows us to make them kill themselves for our entertainment and punishment." Like, huh? 🤔

@movie_nazi said:

I went back and watched the scene and it does indeed look like it is a day dream. She reaches up to her neck as if to say, "Oh shit, I really am in this hell!" and plus the guy that was following her on the bike just disapears. So I do stand corrected but they really did do a terrible job of expressing it was a dream IMO.

When I saw it for the first time in 2000, I thought that something was left on the editing floor. There should have been four scenes with Takako Chigusa running.

Scene 1: Chigusa changes into her yellow tracksuit, touches the necklace, and starts jogging. Shots: LS, FS, MS, MCU, CU, MS, and FS.

Scene 2: Chigusa starts to run harder. CU (choker) of face and ECU of her eyes.

Scene 3: Transition to the scene you see in the movie. MLS of Chigusa running with Hiroki following her on a bicycle. She is not wearing a necklace. Switches between MLS and MS during dialogue. MCU of Chigusa before she turns to her right.

Scene 4: LS (high angle) of Chigusa turning right, stops, then running back. Switches to front, from MS to MCU. She touches the necklace, her eyes widen, then she turns and runs up the steps.

By the way, the real Hiroki did show up later when she was dying.