Is it just me or is this movie starting to look terrible?
I love Marvel, I've seen nearly all of their last 10 movies or so in theaters, but I am getting a really bad feeling about Captain Marvel. They are really leaning into this "strong female character" virtue signaling and that's always a bad sign as evidenced by Ghostbusters, it tells me they can't sell the movie on just being good, they have to try and imply if you don't see it or aren't excited about it you must hate women. The images I've seen look blah and Brie Larson just does not seem like a good fit for this role let alone what she's been saying on social media.
Conversely I never got this feeling with the Wonder Woman movie, and of course movies like Atomic Blonde or Mad Max Fury Road weren't sold on female empowerment even though both films had fantastic female characters and could have easily tried to hype that aspect.
There's a new saying "Get Woke Go Broke" which means that whenever a movie/show/book tries to sell you on how it's so pro woman/gay/trans/minority/whatever while not selling the story or characters then it's pretty much confirmed to be trash and no one buys it. I really hope I'm wrong but I fear the MCU is going to fall into this trap and go the way of Disney Star Wars.
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Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 3:58 AM
I'll give you that but the all female cinema showing of Wonder Woman in a town is more than that. Once you start banning men from a viewing even as an idea then you fail the moral high ground. And wasn't a man the villain in Wonder Woman too? Didn't she have to battle a man in the climax, on the battle field, on the beaches, on the airfield?
Reply by Innovator
on March 21, 2019 at 4:04 AM
To be fair, that was mainly a jab directed toward the criticism of the trailers before the movie was released, which basically consisted of a bunch of guys telling her she should smile more.
Reply by OddRob
on March 21, 2019 at 4:15 AM
Again, I dont think it was the film that wanted an all female showing. It was the cinema trying to get publicity. And they didnt do it because of possible lawsuits. And yes a man was the villain in WW but a man was also a hero. WW never talked down to Steve or made him feel inferior or any man. Even if she was basically a God.
I thought they filmed that before all the criticism about the smiling in the trailer. And it was coincidence.
Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 4:21 AM
And Nick Fury was also a hero too and he's a man.
Reply by OddRob
on March 21, 2019 at 4:27 AM
Is Fury a hero in this? Or does he just play with a cat?
Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 4:28 AM
He does both.
Reply by Innovator
on March 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM
It was in Geneva Robertson-Dworet's original script and Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck filmed it. However, Elliot Graham (Marvel's assigned Editor as the Directors had no say on how the movie was edited) probably decided to keep it in because of the criticism of the marketing. Many critics have noted it as an interesting addition to the film considering the what went on months earlier.
Reply by OddRob
on March 21, 2019 at 4:32 AM
Gotcha. Thanks for the info.
And CM seems needlessly condescending to Nick Fury from the clips Ive seen. Something WW never seemed to be, at least from what I remember.
Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 4:38 AM
She wasn't condescending to Nick Fury it's called BANTER! you know women joke and have a sense of humour too, right? Also how old are you?
Reply by OddRob
on March 21, 2019 at 4:45 AM
Sorry but that didnt seem like 'banter' to me. It seemed condescending, maybe in later scenes it comes of better? And wtf does being a woman have anything to do with it? If the genders were reversed it would still come off as condescending. And Im 33, probably older than you but I think age is irrelevant in this.
Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 6:25 AM
You need to watch the film in it's entirety then to get it. It's banter not condescension women aren't blow up dolls they have personalities too.
Reply by Mrsalty
on March 21, 2019 at 6:28 PM
Now you're just spouting the usual go to feminist deflection lines. The only people that treat women as blow up dolls are the men portrayed in movies like this.
Reply by Billions
on March 21, 2019 at 6:33 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking as someone who has (actually watched Cap Marvel) that the user Oddrob was mistaken in what he saw. Then you jump in with fuck all to do with what I said.
Reply by OddRob
on March 21, 2019 at 11:35 PM
Gotcha, and I will when it comes to HBO or Redbox. From what Ive read/heard its just a ordinary MCU film with some feminist stuff sprinkled around. All I know is that Im ready for Endgame and than wonder where the MCU will head.
Reply by rollotamasi123
on March 28, 2019 at 11:59 AM
on March 8, 2019 at 11:25 PM
You made this statement on opening night without having seen the film. It was a ridiculous proclamation then. Now it seems like a bald faced lie. What's your definition of most? How can you square this claim you made (on opening night) with the current box reality of the box office performance? Did you lie or were you just mistaken? If it's the latter, please elaborate on the evidence/data that led you to make this claim on opening night?