Discuss Signs

It's no secret that Hollywood can often be a wee bit doopid. But perhaps we as a moviegoing public aren't always as clever as we'd like to think we are either.

It is my aim to seek out the most moronic of well known movie complaints audiences collectively spat out and clarify exactly why they deserve a ticket to retardation station. First up: Signs.

Famous Complaint: If water is toxic to the aliens, why would they invade a planet that is 2 thirds water?

Why It Makes No Sense: This I never heard the end of since the second I emerged from the cinema. The aliens weren't looking for a holiday vacation where they could sit by the pool with a pina colada and the latest John Grisham. They needed something. Possibly us or other living beings to harvest, or maybe a planet with an atmosphere that supports life because their's is dying.

Now our naysayers in the audience for some reason seem to be under the impression that the aliens had a huge choice. That they perused a massive array of potential planets like a box of Thorntons and exclaimed "That one! The one covered in poison!"

Well I don't know what your knowledge of the universe is, so I hope I'm not trampling on anyone's dreams here, but most planets are barren with no means of supporting any kind of life. In fact, apart from us, the amount of known planets with life on them totals a number roughly between 1 and minus 1.

So this is a compliant based on an awful lot of assumption. It assumes we know the alien's situation, that they're not desperate in any way. It assumes there is a huge amount of planets for the aliens to choose from and it even assumes that they have the technological capabilities to reach those planets. Considering a lot of movie plot points are convoluted and full of holes, it's shocking how much suspension of disbelief this criticism requires.

Now if Shyamalan went into detail explaining the aliens situation to us this would destroy the feel of the film. It's a film aiming for mystery and tension, not a complex Star Trek like analysis of alien life. The fact we don't know the motivation of the aliens is what makes them scarier. I don't want to hear all that kind of exposition anyway, I can work it out myself. To spell it out would insult the audience's intelligence.

If you didn't enjoy Signs, that's fine. But you don't need to come up with a dopey reason to justify that dislike. You just didn't like it. Reeelax.

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Poisonous cannot be the reason for an intelligent species to avoid. In fact it would be a challenge to investigate, explore and use that poison. Humans would do anything to conquer a place two third uranium or petroleum.

Exactly. There are so many reasons why they might attack a dangerous planet. Greed being a big one.

@JustinJackFlash said:

But perhaps we as a moviegoing public aren't always as clever as we'd like to think we are either.

Very well said! Below is a copy of one my own replies from years past, which I repeated in various versions many times over the years to shortsighted posts just like you address here.

Who said they "Managed to invent intergalactic travel"? Perhaps they found whatever means of transport they used. Or who says that the creatures sent down aren't the equivalent of trained monkeys or dogs? Or weren't prisoners from another species? Or created in a lab for cannon fodder? Or that their “ships” were actually ships at all? Or that they were even intergalactic, as opposed to interdimensional? We have no idea where they came from, how they got here (we never even actually see a ship, merely lights in the sky and an invisible tangible field in the sky a bird flies into), or what their circumstances are. It can only be seen as a possible story problem if you make assumptions and apply your own preconceptions and expectations onto what you’re experiencing.

Remember, the entire point of the story is that “everything happens for a reason according to God’s will”. That alone quashes any perceived “plot holes”. Why were the aliens sent down to the surface naked? Because God wanted them to be. That’s the internal logic we’re presented with as it exists within the context of the story’s universe. And it trumps everything.

Also, it quite clearly wasn't H2O that harmed them. It was the specific mixture of ground water on Earth that harmed them. Otherwise, the fog, moisture on the ground, etc. would have been a problem. We're directly shown that it isn't, while being shown that water from an underground aquifer and up through a faucet did harm them, and we're told they avoided "bodies of water", i.e. mineral-enriched ground water, with a solution specific to Earth, and clearly only in quantities sufficient enough to be poured from a glass. Ever put a dab of bleach on your skin compared to pouring a glass of it over your arm, especially if you’re particularly allergic? It’s the difference between no reaction at all to permanent disfiguration, a difference that may very well look like what happens in the movie. H2O itself wasn't their problem. It was Earth-specific ground water that was.

The "no clothes" bit is the most viable question to ask, though. But there's so little information, the answer could be anything, which nullifies it as a legitimate complaint from an objective standpoint. Plus, God’s plan supersedes all else. If we think about it logically, however, clothes are a strictly human conception. No other species we know of wears clothes, although some do commandeer shells and wear them. Additionally, stealth when prowling around on the ground was clearly an objective, and we’re shown that they have a natural ability to camouflage by reflecting their surroundings. Wearing clothes would have completely negated this benefit. Plus, culture plays a huge role in clothing. It may simply be a concept their culture never developed, or that prefers against it in lieu of stealth, with their organic camouflaging ability being a major factor. Even among humans here on Earth there are cultures that wear very little or no clothes at all, even in some harsh jungle environments.

Having said that, like any work of art viewers are free to feel how they choose, and no one likes every movie they see.

@warrior-poet said:

Very well said! Below is a copy of one my own replies from years past, which I repeated in various versions many times over the years to shortsighted posts just like you address here.

Who said they "Managed to invent intergalactic travel"? Perhaps they found whatever means of transport they used. Or who says that the creatures sent down aren't the equivalent of trained monkeys or dogs? Or weren't prisoners from another species? Or created in a lab for cannon fodder? Or that their “ships” were actually ships at all? Or that they were even intergalactic, as opposed to interdimensional? We have no idea where they came from, how they got here (we never even actually see a ship, merely lights in the sky and an invisible tangible field in the sky a bird flies into), or what their circumstances are. It can only be seen as a possible story problem if you make assumptions and apply your own preconceptions and expectations onto what you’re experiencing.

Remember, the entire point of the story is that “everything happens for a reason according to God’s will”. That alone quashes any perceived “plot holes”. Why were the aliens sent down to the surface naked? Because God wanted them to be. That’s the internal logic we’re presented with as it exists within the context of the story’s universe. And it trumps everything.

Also, it quite clearly wasn't H2O that harmed them. It was the specific mixture of ground water on Earth that harmed them. Otherwise, the fog, moisture on the ground, etc. would have been a problem. We're directly shown that it isn't, while being shown that water from an underground aquifer and up through a faucet did harm them, and we're told they avoided "bodies of water", i.e. mineral-enriched ground water, with a solution specific to Earth, and clearly only in quantities sufficient enough to be poured from a glass. Ever put a dab of bleach on your skin compared to pouring a glass of it over your arm, especially if you’re particularly allergic? It’s the difference between no reaction at all to permanent disfiguration, a difference that may very well look like what happens in the movie. H2O itself wasn't their problem. It was Earth-specific ground water that was.

The "no clothes" bit is the most viable question to ask, though. But there's so little information, the answer could be anything, which nullifies it as a legitimate complaint from an objective standpoint. Plus, God’s plan supersedes all else. If we think about it logically, however, clothes are a strictly human conception. No other species we know of wears clothes, although some do commandeer shells and wear them. Additionally, stealth when prowling around on the ground was clearly an objective, and we’re shown that they have a natural ability to camouflage by reflecting their surroundings. Wearing clothes would have completely negated this benefit. Plus, culture plays a huge role in clothing. It may simply be a concept their culture never developed, or that prefers against it in lieu of stealth, with their organic camouflaging ability being a major factor. Even among humans here on Earth there are cultures that wear very little or no clothes at all, even in some harsh jungle environments.

Having said that, like any work of art viewers are free to feel how they choose, and no one likes every movie they see.

Good stuff and well argued.

@Damienracer said:

No one goes to work for a vacation either but they don't expect to be electrocuted to death while using the office computer lol.

Not quite sure what you're saying here, D-race. And no, an office worker probably wouldn't expect too much of a risk from his workplace. But a fireman might expect the possibility of burning to death, a soldier might expect to get shot and an astronaut (which is essentially what the aliens are from their point of view) could expect any number of dark fates.

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