When Solaris creates these people are they simply copies put together by the memories of the visited or are they actually bringing the dead back to life, soul and all?
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Отговор от movie_nazi
на 25 юни 2017 в 6:04 PM
Exactly. This is where the story gets ambiguous especially with the AMERICAN ending. I have to watch the Russian one again because it has been a while since I saw it.
Отговор от Renovatio
на 25 юни 2017 в 6:05 PM
Copies from memories, but maybe they're still real... not the same as the original people, but real nonetheless..
At the end he realises that he is not the original, but its ok, because he does not have to be that way anymore... (American version)
Отговор от movie_nazi
на 25 юни 2017 в 6:46 PM
I think it is pretty clear that at the end they are copies. When it doesn't bleed pretty much seals the deal. What I don't understand is I thought Solaris was making copies consciously as a way to "please" the visited. But if this were true then why the heck would he make copies of Clooney at the end? All the REAL people were dead.
Отговор от Renovatio
на 25 юни 2017 в 6:55 PM
I'm not sure solaris creates copies to please us... rather that it is a manifistation of our conciousness in that envirnoment...
In Solaris, maybe these memories, manifested are as real as our conciousness is to us here on earth...
Woah! I think i just blew my own mind! Haha... seriously though... I really should watch it again... Such a beautiful film... haunting...
Отговор от movie_nazi
на 25 юни 2017 в 10:32 PM
It really is an under appreciated film. I kinda wish the American version got a little more philosophical like the original Russian version did but the awesome score makes up for that.
Отговор от movie_nazi
на 26 юни 2017 в 1:24 PM
Brilliant book and once again the Ruskies show that they can teach us a thing or two about philosophy. Now, if only we can find a director that can do Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment any justice (pun intended ).
Отговор от movie_nazi
на 26 юни 2017 в 3:14 PM
Whoa! That sounds very intriguing. I will have to get me a copy.
Отговор от movie_nazi
на 26 юни 2017 в 4:06 PM
I've actually already contemplated this issue before about how people remember things differently. I've always been a philosophical thinker and find great interests in the seeking of the definition of consciousness and it's meaning. One could indeed talk for hours on the subject.
Now back to Solaris, this is where I feel the American version DROPS THE BALL. It doesn't get into the philosophical questions of what it is to remember particular experiences and merely scratches the surface of what the book and original movie intended to explore. I believe they cut it down for brevity sake but in the end, actually damaged what is the main THEME and QUESTIONS of the original story. Soderbergh is a talented director without question (check out The Limey) and I won't hold those godawful Ocean's 74 billion, or whatever number they are on, against him, but I think he hobbled what could have been a BRILLIANT film if it was indeed his choice to supplant the main philosophical themes from the story. The original Tarkovsky film ran for nearly 3 hours while his only ran for an hour and a half. What's that tell you?
Отговор от Renovatio
на 26 юни 2017 в 4:49 PM
Yeah, it could've used an additional 20-30 minutes...