For me it was creating the artificial and ham fisted family connection between Bond and Blofeld. Completely unneeded.

@ocelot11snake said:

For me it was a total lack of character development for the villains

Never really go to see Bond films for character development.

@Taylorfirst1 said:

For me it was creating the artificial and ham fisted family connection between Bond and Blofeld. Completely unneeded.

Absolutely this! Together with the whole emotional, psychological dynamic that this implies... It's too soap opera and smacks too much of the kind of "world building" that the very nerdy Starwars and comic-book franchises engage in...

The last half hour was very anti-climactic.

It was badly paced. It's very slow for a Bond film (which I didn't have a problem with) but it seems like it's about half way through, then we're suddenly at the stereotypical ticking bomb finale.

@ocelot11snake said:

For me it was a total lack of character development for the villains

It's not memorable at all. On paper it should've worked, especially with Christoph Walz as the villain. He's proven before that he is excellent at playing bad-guys.

But the movie is really just a drag IMO. Also the song sucked and Bond looks pissed/bored throughout the movie. They go to a desert, the same as in Quantum of Solace. Maybe avoid deserts in the next movie? Now that I think about it, don't they fly to the desert in Spectre aswell? Who knows?!??!?! This movie is so forgettable.

Also what others said with the soap opera, ham-fisty family bond between Blofeld and Bond.

Just one flaw? Like others have said the Blofeld connection. But also most of the action's boring. That car chase was like a car commercial. And I hated the look of the film. That yellow tint has to go in the next one. Remember when Bond films used to be colourful instead of dull and dour? The costume designers went through the task of making sure every single one of those costumes for the Day of The Dead parade looked distinctly different and they looked great on the behind the scenes footage. But the makers of the film bleached everything in yellow in post production anyway rendering it pointless!

@Ozbourne What I thought this films major problem is that it was "Daniel Craig's James Bond's Greatest Hits".

@ocelot11snake said:

What do you think was this movie's biggest flaw?

That it was designed as a send-off for Craig (and IMHO worked well as that) but then they threw so much money at him that he came back, which makes the film kinda redundant.

@M. LeMarchand That's exactly what I thought.

------Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night------

@M. LeMarchand said:

That it was designed as a send-off for Craig (and IMHO worked well as that) but then they threw so much money at him that he came back, which makes the film kinda redundant.

I can't say I thought it felt like a send off. It felt to me like a kind of beginning as they were just introducing the Spectre element and Blofeld rivalry. Like a new plot strand for the series was just beginning. For Craig to leave at this point seemed like a strange idea.

I think he should do one more. And hopefully leave on a better note.

Connecting the previous Daniel Craig films to this one, Blofeld growing up with young Jimmy Bond...ugh

@Damienracer said:

@Renovatio said:

@Taylorfirst1 said:

For me it was creating the artificial and ham fisted family connection between Bond and Blofeld. Completely unneeded.

Absolutely this! Together with the whole emotional, psychological dynamic that this implies... It's too soap opera and smacks too much of the kind of "world building" that the very nerdy Starwars and comic-book franchises engage in...

Don't be an idiot! Bond and Blofeld being related isn't world building it's the complete opposite. And who the FCK uses word "nerdy" anymore except the idiotic.

nerd culture is now the dominant mainstream culture... it deserves to be satirised and criticised.., deal with it... it is ruining art, entertainment and anything sensual...

Literally no one who isn't a bond nerd cares about bonds familial relationships or how any of the villians or crazy storylines of different movies interrelate... trying to link them by making blofeld bond's brother is the basis of "nerdy" world building that sucks the fun out of bond...

it's not that i care who bond's brother, sister or gardener are and thus I'm dissapointed in thr choice... I don't and I'm not... I'm indifferent... that's the point, i'm interreted in watching a fun bond movies, not tracing the interrelationships of his world... that is too nerdy... but that is the domimant aesthetic now in this culture, since the starwars generation are increasingly running the world, while they catalogue and document the minutia and miss the forest for the trees...

@Renovatio said:

nerd culture is now the dominant mainstream culture... it deserves to be satirised and criticised.., deal with it... it is ruining art, entertainment and anything sensual...

How can it be ruining art? If anything, it's easier these days to access what most people consider "art". Our local (small town) cinema has numerous showings of RSC, National Theatre , Royal Ballet and Royal Opera House performances.

@Renovatio said:

Literally no one who isn't a bond nerd cares about bonds familial relationships or how any of the villians or crazy storylines of different movies interrelate... trying to link them by making blofeld bond's brother is the basis of "nerdy" world building that sucks the fun out of bond...

Surely no-one who isn't a Bond nerd cares one way or the other?

@M. LeMarchand You have a point about some of the things in your post. To find out that the reason that Blofeld has been going after Bond all these years is because Blofeld had the biggest case of sibling rivalry in recorded history is strange.

i don't think i am being clear enough by what I mean about nerd culture as it relates to movies...

i mean the way it is customary now to fanatically obsess about minutia of things and the excessive need for explanations and for order... in movies you see it to some extent in StarWars fandom (but part of that is Lucas' revisionism), but more clearly in comicbook movie fandom and not only does it feed off of the existing nerdism of comicbook culture, but also the business world has figured out how to engineer series of product movies that build on this nerdistic habit/condition... "easter eggs" in movies and such... obsessive cateloging of what is canon or not, of what is a discontinuity between movies, etc.. the aesthetics and emotional content of these movies doesnt matter, it's just content to fuel the cateloguing obsession.

Clearly, Bond is not in this league, but you can see in Spectre a hint of the studios and writers thinking of it in this way... This is far worse than not liking Craig as Bond, he's not ideal, but is ok...

Have you guys seen the youtube channel Cinema Sins? Nerd culture takes the points in those videos seriously as opposed to just looking at it as a bit of playful fun about movies imperfections... as the saying goes, they can't see the forest for the trees

The point of having access to all this art and entertainment is to enjoy it and share our thoughts about it, not to obsessivly catelogue and cross reference it as if we are archivists... Nerd culture treats the viewer as the latter...

@M. LeMarchand said:

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@Renovatio said:

Literally no one who isn't a bond nerd cares about bonds familial relationships or how any of the villians or crazy storylines of different movies interrelate... trying to link them by making blofeld bond's brother is the basis of "nerdy" world building that sucks the fun out of bond...

Surely no-one who isn't a Bond nerd cares one way or the other?

True, they don't care, but if it takes them out of the rythem of the movie, or if it is shoe-horned-in as I think it is in Spectre, than it does diminish the movie viewing experience... and then, they will care.

In Spectre, the blofed reveal is meant to be an amazing apex in the movie.. instead it's both underwhelming as well as confusing as to why the english boy bond has a german sibling... also, it makes it seem so much more banal... instead of fighting a worthy villian, it's simple fraternal jealousy... big YAWN for someone who came to see a Bond 007 movie..

But hey, no one has to agree with my thesis... it's just the way i see it... and I thought spectre was a decent movie.. didn't hate it...