@Rocketeer Raccoon said:

Let's be honest here, this is a terrible movie and you don't need me to tell you why, I've seen the movie myself and I absolutely hate the movie. Yet for some reason only Rotten Tomatoes has given a correct user score, every other movie site such as this has given it a high score and even for TFW which is also not great.

I just don't get movie websites these days.

its because of fanboys giving it a 10 and trolls giving 1s for star wars there alot of fan boys just blindly pushing 10s before they even see it because its star wars

Well at least I actually saw the movie myself and fairly gave it a 1 since I didn't like it but yes that does sound like the most accurate reason why.

TMDB scores don't make sense for any movie. Every movie on here has between 70 - 75% no matter how good or bad it is.

Most people like the movie.

Leave your echo chamber and be illuminated!

@Gus Gorman said:

Most people like the movie.

Leave your echo chamber and be illuminated!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is just incorrect or selective. Eg Metacritic - the second most relevant site - is currently at an abyssmal 4.5 (!) and that trend applies to other English or non-English sites too; IMdb has it on a lukewarm 7.4 and dropping.

Its a highly controversial and irrationally hated movie, the sites reflect this fact. Only a delusional fool would deny that.

@Jedan Archer said:

This is just incorrect or selective. Eg Metacritic - the second most relevant site - is currently at an abyssmal 4.5 (!) and that trend applies to other English or non-English sites too; IMdb has it on a lukewarm 7.4 and dropping.

Its a highly controversial and irrationally hated movie, the sites reflect this fact. Only a delusional fool would deny that.

Indeed it is a very controversial film that has upset a lot of fans, it was poorly written, it shoe-horns in this SJW nonsense like stupid Admiral Holdo, and it simply butchers it's own storyline and characters. The worst case being what they did with Luke Skywalker who is now completely out of character, like why make a map in the first place if his intention is to die alone on an off-charted planet? And of course you have Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder, refusing to help and drinking space milk from a beach cow thing with a ridiculous expression, that was like a big middle finger to the fans.

Thinking back, The Phantom Menace used to be the most despised main Star Wars film ever, that film still has it's problems such as the much hated Jar Jar Binks but at least the story which was written by George Lucas himself was done in good taste. Disney never cared for Star Wars and their treatment towards Star Wars is disgraceful. Thanks to them, they put the final nail to the coffin.

I gave it a 3 out of ten... The thing is, why do you have an attachment to what rating the movie has on sites?

You're a Starwars fan so will see it anyway. Are younjust looking for others to validate your opinion of the movie? If so, there are loads of people posting about it on these message boards and talking about it elsewhere...

Ratings are meaningless...

@Renovatio said:

I gave it a 3 out of ten... The thing is, why do you have an attachment to what rating the movie has on sites?

You're a Starwars fan so will see it anyway. Are younjust looking for others to validate your opinion of the movie? If so, there are loads of people posting about it on these message boards and talking about it elsewhere...

Ratings are meaningless...

Well I'm not so much of a fan but I do think a lot of films are getting the wrong rating, they are either like this film where it should have abysmal scores and then you have those films that should have had higher scores but ended up with a bad score. You're probably right, ratings are meaningless now.

I gave this film 1 out of 10, I did not enjoy this film in anyway at all.

@Gus Gorman said:

Most people like the movie.

Leave your echo chamber and be illuminated!

its too great it has as much criticism as the prequels and Disney removed the director from 3 other projects....

yea that sounds like it went extremely well and has nothing wrong with it besides a small group of complainers.. derp derp

@Rocketeer Raccoon said:

Let's be honest here, this is a terrible movie and you don't need me to tell you why, I've seen the movie myself and I absolutely hate the movie. Yet for some reason only Rotten Tomatoes has given a correct user score, every other movie site such as this has given it a high score and even for TFW which is also not great.

I just don't get movie websites these days.

Look, as a Star Wars fan, I also hated the film. But I pride myself in my objective judgment of films. The film is mildly entertaining, has some decent battle scenes, some nice cinematography, and is decently paced(sans the canto bight BS). I gave it a 4 out of 10. I suppose the average movie fan only needs a thumbs up (10) or a thumbs down (1) but once you have seen thousands of films you begin to pick up on other aspects of the film. YES, TLJ completely shits on SW lore, has a swiss cheese plot, and uninspiring characters but it does do some things right or else you wouldn't have so many "thumbs up" votes.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) - 4 outta 10 stars

Oh my god, I Glenn cannot believe what it is I is seeing! You guys is STILL mopping and moaning away about the last jedis!

Ok so first of all I got to say nothing's gonna change my love for star wars last jedis but me and Bobby we show to grandpappy and even HE is laughing away at the last jedis and Luke Skywalker!! He is seeing Luke drinking the milk and he cackling away like a demented old man! Ok it is technical that he is a demented old man but you knows what I mean.

The film bringing all lot of joy to many peoples you can't deny. Even you crazies is getting the joy too still complaining MONTHS after film been out what is point?!

@ImJustLikeYouISwear said:

@Gus Gorman said:

Most people like the movie.

Leave your echo chamber and be illuminated!

its too great it has as much criticism as the prequels and Disney removed the director from 3 other projects....

yea that sounds like it went extremely well and has nothing wrong with it besides a small group of complainers.. derp derp

I personally think the prequels are much better. They had their problems as well but at least they made sense most of the time.

@movie_nazi said:

I personally think the prequels are much better.

I do think that's going a bit far. I've avoided The Last Jedi threads until I finally got a chance to watch it and after the high praise the film has been receiving critically, I made the hasty assumption from the thread titles that these threads were full of star wars obsessives whining about petty quibbles.

I was wrong.

You all have valid points. I don't actually think TLJ is a bad film but it was very disappointing. A very mixed bag.

But I still think it's better than the prequels. They were completely soulless and The Phantom Menace is unwatchable. It's a complete abomination and I'd even say one of the worst films ever made.

Lucas completely forgot what made the films so beloved in the first place and delivered 6 hours of CGI noise.

In comparison The Force Awakens does show that JJ Abrams has an understanding of why the films originally worked. I think Rian Johnson does too but he just struggled in getting it right. Possibly because big blockbusters just aren't his thing.

@JustinJackFlash said:

@movie_nazi said:

I personally think the prequels are much better.

I do think that's going a bit far. I've avoided The Last Jedi threads until I finally got a chance to watch it and after the high praise the film has been receiving critically, I made the hasty assumption from the thread titles that these threads were full of star wars obsessives whining about petty quibbles.

I was wrong.

You all have valid points. I don't actually think TLJ is a bad film but it was very disappointing. A very mixed bag.

But I still think it's better than the prequels. They were completely soulless and The Phantom Menace is unwatchable. It's a complete abomination and I'd even say one of the worst films ever made.

Lucas completely forgot what made the films so beloved in the first place and delivered 6 hours of CGI noise.

In comparison The Force Awakens does show that JJ Abrams has an understanding of why the films originally worked. I think Rian Johnson does too but he just struggled in getting it right. Possibly because big blockbusters just aren't his thing.

There are a couple things to consider here. Firstly, just to prove to you that I am no mindless fanboy of Lucas or the prequels, I will point out to you the major issues with them.

1) Horribly written dialogue. Lucas was never a good scriptwriter and naturally sounding dialogue has always been an Achilles heel of sorts for him. Even though A New Hope did not display some of his worst dialogue, you can tell it wasn't very good. You can see quote after quote from Fisher, Hamill and Ford talk about during the reads about how just awful the dialogue was. The dialogue vastly improved when he brought other script writers as is evident with ETB and TLJ. This was completely absent with the new triology and is why the dialogue completely stunk. Most of the hate from the prequels stems how clunky the dialogue is.

General Grevious. You're shorter than I expected.

I hate sand. It's course. And it gets everywhere.

No, it's because I am so in love with you. (puke) 🤮

Even Guinness who was always a very professional gentleman has been quoted as saying that when he was reading the script he thought the dialogue was unbearable but he just had to keep turning the page, which brings me to my next point. Lucas strength is in storytelling and to a greater extent, world building. He had a wonderful knack for laying out a very familiar tale (The hero's journey) in a wildly interesting and original setting.

2) Over use of CGI. CGI is great for backgrounds, buildings, landscapes, etc. But where the line must be drawn is speaking characters. Even by today's standards which have vastly improved from almost 20 years ago, I still wouldn't recommend it. It just looks cheesy. Give me a puppet Yoda any day.

Now there are other issues sprinkled here and there but those are the main problems with it. Now I will start to name what the prequels did well that the Disney fail at miserably.

1) The prequels added to the lore. We got to learn more about the Star Wars universe. We learned about its politics, the jedis and their role in the galaxy. We got to learn how the events in the original trilogy came to be. We saw different planets and new aliens, we were told A DIFFERENT STORY! That last point is a HUGE problem with the Disney films. Storywise they bring nothing new to the table.

2) The prequels didn't rely on nostalgia from the original trilogy. They actually used (GASP) imagination to bring us new ships, fighters, battle droids, clones, death sticks (ha, ha), etc. It didn't need to show us the Milinium Falcon or X wings, or AT ST or a different version of Star Destroyers, etc. Basically almost every ship in the Disney films are straight up from the original trilogy or heavily influenced. The Disney films introduced hardly ANY new alien species and didn't even have any main characters that were one. Most of them were humans.

3) The prequels respect the lore and the Disney films shits on them. We have learned that to become a Jedi one must train from a very young age. It is possible to be gifted but it is very rare. The new films just shows Rey acting like a literal goddess who wields the force as though it is as natural as breathing. Luke who saw good in Darth Vader, possibly the biggest mass murder of the galaxy, was going to look at the child Ben and say, "Nope, there ain't no hope for ya kid. Time to die." Its fkn dumb and ruins Star Wars. The new writers have no respect for the original source materials and with a world as vast as SW they couldn't even come up with an original story. They went with big evil Empire very vs. underdog rebels . Really? That's the best you hacks can come up with? Even the storylines for the video game The Old Republic is better than that shit. Which brings me to the strongest point of the prequels over the new films. AT LEAST THEY WERE ORIGINAL. These new films lack anything fresh and they don't suck you in to want to watch any more films. I know it sounds like alarmist talk but IMO, Star Wars is truly dead.

I can say this statement without any guilty feelings of hyperbole: The Last Jedi and The Force Awakens are shit films, period.