I'm finally watching this weird movie for the first time and struck by how both intrusive and banal the score is in this film. Good god.
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Contestado por tmdb53400018
el 4 de junio de 2021 a las 17:04
Right. But I think Spike did a few films before She’s Gotta Have It. There was The Answer, which was filmed while he was a student at NYU. It’s a response to D. W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation.
Contestado por DRDMovieMusings
el 4 de junio de 2021 a las 17:42
Sure, but I'm willing to bet the concern about when Spike was good vs. when he "started using his father" was not referencing that period before his first feature length film since very few would have seen any of those anyway.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 5 de junio de 2021 a las 09:54
No, it's not possible. My assertion has nothing whatsoever to do with music genre. As mentioned, specifically, the score for this title is just not a good score. A movie score shouldn't jolt you out of a seamless viewing experience and it shouldn't be a showcase for the composer. It should compliment the film itself. It's there to augment the visuals and dialogue as it unfolds and manifests the story.
Contestado por tmdb53400018
el 6 de junio de 2021 a las 11:17
The point of the term "implicit bias" is that people don't realize they harbor it toward others... just adding to the discussion.
Contestado por DRDMovieMusings
el 6 de junio de 2021 a las 15:12
OK. When I get around to seeing this movie, I'll get a sense whether the score jolts me out of the viewing experience and circle back here with more light on the objective vs. subjective vantage on this.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 11 de junio de 2021 a las 11:37
yawn
Contestado por DRDMovieMusings
el 11 de junio de 2021 a las 12:11
Walking upright? yawn
Having opposable thumbs? yawn
Being a human being? yawn
All hail MongoLloyd who has transcended mere human existence yet graces us with its presence among us mere mortals. We are not worthy.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 12 de junio de 2021 a las 20:16
Oh please, please, please, tell me more about what I'm really trying to say when I clearly make objective judgements about a movie score. Especially when only one of us has seen the movie.
Contestado por DRDMovieMusings
el 14 de junio de 2021 a las 17:36
Except your objectivity isn't clear. Besides, in other posts, you've made judgments of people's work based on your perception of them - what goes around, comes around, and if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it.
Yeah, and I conceded that. It is no problem for me to recognize my limitations, I'm okay being a human being, I don't dismiss that concept, and that makes me a reasonable person with whom to argue. People who demonstrates either the inability or unwillingness to own their imperfections are difficult to engage any constructive discussion.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 14 de junio de 2021 a las 21:21
"There's elevator music playing under the playground scene where Dawson's character meets Norton's character that then continues under the following scene in the bar. There's a really annoying, loud, and obtrusive piece playing over the scene in the hotel overlooking the 9/11 memorial that just drags on and on and basically punches a viewer in the face. There are moments of very odd and out of place notes from wind instruments that just make NO sense."
Contestado por DRDMovieMusings
el 14 de junio de 2021 a las 21:34
That's a fair criticism - I can work with that!
Keep in mind that, more often than not, very little ends up in the final edit that was not intended. It is very possible that the director, a human being, made a mistake (as I think I mentioned earlier in this discussion); however, the audience is called upon, challenged even, to put in a little work to understand what the director was trying to put across before simply dismissing the effort - terrific examples include the interpretations of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, or Eyes Wide Shut. (And please resist the urge to spin off on some tangent about comparing Lee to Kubrick, that's not the point of the comment). To keep things simple, if these two examples were too distracting, go with another splendid example: Arrival (2016).
At the end of the day, given Spike Lee's proven craft, especially in interweaving splendid musical scores into his movies, and (again, as I've mentioned) having not yet seen the movie, I'm going to go into it giving Lee the benefit of the doubt which, I believe, he has earned.
If you're still around in this discussion after I've finally gotten around to watching 25th Hour, I'll look forward to revisiting my hypothesis with the traction of actually having seen it.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 14 de junio de 2021 a las 23:56
Lee is very uneven with regard to making sensible directorial decisions and films in general. Did you see his bizarre portrayal of a news man in Summer of Sam? Did you see She Hate Me? Oldboy?
Contestado por tmdb53400018
el 15 de junio de 2021 a las 00:11
It was so funny. Intentionally so, I'm sure.
Contestado por MongoLloyd
el 16 de junio de 2021 a las 00:35
What was funny about it? Is odd and completely disconnected from reality, funny?
Contestado por tmdb53400018
el 16 de junio de 2021 a las 11:01
I took it that was Spike Lee's critique of the mass media - that they're "disconnected from reality."
In the theater where I saw Summer of Sam, I recall hearing this black woman laughing when Lee did his portrayal of the news man. So I'd say that his decision paid off.