@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

Ensuring your family's survival by beating insurmountable odds is extraordinary - it's not every day that the world comes to an end, is it?

Joe Average instantly turns on superman/batman/jump over things/fall from heights and not get hurt/stunt driver extraordinaire/Bond mode?

Balderdash. Life is not a video game.

I'm not saying this movie is alone guilty of this sophistry. John McClane is outmanned, outgunned, shee-it, he doesn't even have shoes...but he's going to single handedly take on a funded, intelligent, prepared, team of villains. Sure.

From Bruce Willis in Die Hard to Dwayne Johnson in Skyscraper, "one man must save his family" is a fantasy too many men pine to see themselves in. Overcompensating for our fragile masculinity, I suppose. Meanwhile, it's a fight for too many of us to just be on time for work and not die of a heart attack from road rage because we can't handle being cut off or someone driving slowly in the fast lane.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

Ensuring your family's survival by beating insurmountable odds is extraordinary - it's not every day that the world comes to an end, is it?

Joe Average instantly turns on superman/batman/jump over things/fall from heights and not get hurt/stunt driver extraordinaire/Bond mode?

Balderdash. Life is not a video game.

I'm not saying this movie is alone guilty of this sophistry. John McClane is outmanned, outgunned, shee-it, he doesn't even have shoes...but he's going to single handedly take on a funded, intelligent, prepared, team of villains. Sure.

From Bruce Willis in Die Hard to Dwayne Johnson in Skyscraper, "one man must save his family" is a fantasy too many men pine to see themselves in. Overcompensating for our fragile masculinity, I suppose. Meanwhile, it's a fight for too many of us to just be on time for work and not die of a heart attack from road rage because we can't handle being cut off or someone driving slowly in the fast lane.

I think you watched a completely different movie or you've been around a lot of lousy father figures all your life. Yes, sometimes men and women do extraordinary unrealistic things when their family is at risk. What were you expecting? For him to sit in his limo the entire movie watching daytime TV?

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

Ensuring your family's survival by beating insurmountable odds is extraordinary - it's not every day that the world comes to an end, is it?

Joe Average instantly turns on superman/batman/jump over things/fall from heights and not get hurt/stunt driver extraordinaire/Bond mode?

Balderdash. Life is not a video game.

I'm not saying this movie is alone guilty of this sophistry. John McClane is outmanned, outgunned, shee-it, he doesn't even have shoes...but he's going to single handedly take on a funded, intelligent, prepared, team of villains. Sure.

From Bruce Willis in Die Hard to Dwayne Johnson in Skyscraper, "one man must save his family" is a fantasy too many men pine to see themselves in. Overcompensating for our fragile masculinity, I suppose. Meanwhile, it's a fight for too many of us to just be on time for work and not die of a heart attack from road rage because we can't handle being cut off or someone driving slowly in the fast lane.

I think you watched a completely different movie or you've been around a lot of lousy father figures all your life. Yes, sometimes men and women do extraordinary unrealistic things when their family is at risk. What were you expecting? For him to sit in his limo the entire movie watching daytime TV?

It's not about "lousy father figures", how many middle-aged men could run a mile if their lives depended on it? How many have heart attacks shoveling snow out of their driveway or front walk? I more expected him to be sitting in front of his computer playing video games, watching porn, or arguing on movie chat sites :-) He certainly wasn't keeping his pad clean, or living with any kind of etiquette, culture or routine that included changing out of his clothes before passing out on the couch drooling all over his wrinkled clothes.

There's this great scene in The Matrix, early, when Neo is running from the agents while taking direction from Morpheus over the phone; he gets out on the ledge and, while trying to keep following Morpheus' direction, he drops the phone, and it jars him to his senses. He says, to himself, "WTF am I doing? F this." And he goes back inside, and surrenders to them. When I first watched that movie, I thought, "interesting, that's more realistic. This is some fresh writing, I'll stick around to see what he does next."

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

Ensuring your family's survival by beating insurmountable odds is extraordinary - it's not every day that the world comes to an end, is it?

Joe Average instantly turns on superman/batman/jump over things/fall from heights and not get hurt/stunt driver extraordinaire/Bond mode?

Balderdash. Life is not a video game.

I'm not saying this movie is alone guilty of this sophistry. John McClane is outmanned, outgunned, shee-it, he doesn't even have shoes...but he's going to single handedly take on a funded, intelligent, prepared, team of villains. Sure.

From Bruce Willis in Die Hard to Dwayne Johnson in Skyscraper, "one man must save his family" is a fantasy too many men pine to see themselves in. Overcompensating for our fragile masculinity, I suppose. Meanwhile, it's a fight for too many of us to just be on time for work and not die of a heart attack from road rage because we can't handle being cut off or someone driving slowly in the fast lane.

I think you watched a completely different movie or you've been around a lot of lousy father figures all your life. Yes, sometimes men and women do extraordinary unrealistic things when their family is at risk. What were you expecting? For him to sit in his limo the entire movie watching daytime TV?

It's not about "lousy father figures", how many middle-aged men could run a mile if their lives depended on it? How many have heart attacks shoveling snow out of their driveway or front walk? I more expected him to be sitting in front of his computer playing video games, watching porn, or arguing on movie chat sites :-) He certainly wasn't keeping his pad clean, or living with any kind of etiquette, culture or routine that included changing out of his clothes before passing out on the couch drooling all over his wrinkled clothes.

There's this great scene in The Matrix, early, when Neo is running from the agents while taking direction from Morpheus over the phone; he gets out on the ledge and, while trying to keep following Morpheus' direction, he drops the phone, and it jars him to his senses. He says, to himself, "WTF am I doing? F this." And he goes back inside, and surrenders to them. When I first watched that movie, I thought, "interesting, that's more realistic. This is some fresh writing, I'll stick around to see what he does next."

He didn't really do anything that superhuman in this movie apart from knowing how to read a map and having really good life saving friends in high places like his Russian boss.

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Adammm said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

Why does some schlep have to literally save the world to be worthy of being a husband and father? How many regular Joes are sleeping on the couch in a pig sty house just waiting for everything to go sideways to jump into superhero mode to "save their family"?

Besides, seems to me, if the guy couldn't keep his apartment clean, most everything else is going to be above his pay grade.

He didn't save the world in that movie did he? He saved his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Nevertheless (in my Newman voice), it's a doomsday scenario and must overcome world-ending odds. Can't a guy just be a guy, not a super hero?

Ensuring your family's survival is really that extraordinary to you? What kind of men have you been around?

Ensuring your family's survival by beating insurmountable odds is extraordinary - it's not every day that the world comes to an end, is it?

Joe Average instantly turns on superman/batman/jump over things/fall from heights and not get hurt/stunt driver extraordinaire/Bond mode?

Balderdash. Life is not a video game.

I'm not saying this movie is alone guilty of this sophistry. John McClane is outmanned, outgunned, shee-it, he doesn't even have shoes...but he's going to single handedly take on a funded, intelligent, prepared, team of villains. Sure.

From Bruce Willis in Die Hard to Dwayne Johnson in Skyscraper, "one man must save his family" is a fantasy too many men pine to see themselves in. Overcompensating for our fragile masculinity, I suppose. Meanwhile, it's a fight for too many of us to just be on time for work and not die of a heart attack from road rage because we can't handle being cut off or someone driving slowly in the fast lane.

I think you watched a completely different movie or you've been around a lot of lousy father figures all your life. Yes, sometimes men and women do extraordinary unrealistic things when their family is at risk. What were you expecting? For him to sit in his limo the entire movie watching daytime TV?

It's not about "lousy father figures", how many middle-aged men could run a mile if their lives depended on it? How many have heart attacks shoveling snow out of their driveway or front walk? I more expected him to be sitting in front of his computer playing video games, watching porn, or arguing on movie chat sites :-) He certainly wasn't keeping his pad clean, or living with any kind of etiquette, culture or routine that included changing out of his clothes before passing out on the couch drooling all over his wrinkled clothes.

There's this great scene in The Matrix, early, when Neo is running from the agents while taking direction from Morpheus over the phone; he gets out on the ledge and, while trying to keep following Morpheus' direction, he drops the phone, and it jars him to his senses. He says, to himself, "WTF am I doing? F this." And he goes back inside, and surrenders to them. When I first watched that movie, I thought, "interesting, that's more realistic. This is some fresh writing, I'll stick around to see what he does next."

He didn't really do anything that superhuman in this movie apart from knowing how to read a map and having really good life saving friends in high places like his Russian boss.

Fair enough. My recollection of the details of this movie are fuzzy. I just remember the set up - his ex hooked up with a doctor who is soooo much better/richer than he was, but at the end of it all, after saving the day, was now worthy, he won her back, big hero. And that messaging sucks, IMHO.