"You can make a bad movie from a good script but you can't make a good movie from a bad script." - somebody smarter than me. I agree that good scripts are lacking, but that is not a flaw limited to CBM. I think CA:TWS had good pacing and no one felt forced or out of place.

Regarding Infinity War, the one thing they have going for it is that there will be minimal introducing of characters. Carol Danvers, Thanos (for the most part) and the Black Order will all need to be introduced but everyone else already exists. Sure, getting them together is a nightmare, but I think the Russo's can pull it off. And although there will be anywhere between 20 and 60 characters involved, not everyone will be the "main characters". If it's told by Thanos' POV then I think it will flow very nice as he collects the infinity stones, dispatching of different groups along the way. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I re-watched this again just recently and enjoyed it immensely. Then headed over to YouTube and watched some of the reviews for CA:TWS and in retrospect what they saw then and how this movie stands up was entertaining to relive.

CA:TWS along with CA:TFA are love letters to Steve Rogers, Marvel, Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, fans of Marvel and fans of movies in general.

For an MCU film it's pretty damn good. But it's far from the best super hero film. I can think of many that are deeper, more inventive, more distinctive or more influential.

Sorry.

@JustinJackFlash said:

For an MCU film it's pretty damn good. But it's far from the best super hero film. I can think of many that are deeper, more inventive, more distinctive or more influential.

Sorry.

Come on!!! Drop some names!!!

There are so many: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, X men 2, Sam Raimi's Spiderman 1 and 2, Watchmen, Kick Ass, Tim Burton's Batman, Richard Donner's Superman 1 and 2, Deadpool. It's not even the best Captain America film. That would be Civil War.

I haven't seen Logan yet but it seems to be of very high regard.

These are a lot more subjective but I also prefer X men: First Class and Days of Future Past. Although The Hulk was very divisive, I personally prefer it because it's more experimental and distinctive.

Winter Soldier was a blast. No arguments. The Russo brothers are excellent at action. But as far as depth goes, it only has a little bit stemming from it's 70's political thriller influences.

But if there's something I'm missing about it, maybe a subtext I didn't notice, something it explores that went over my head then I'd be happy to hear your views. That's what forums are for.

While the first superman with Christopher Reeves is my favorite, next the avengers, and cap.

For me it has to be Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The second installment of Captain America is better than the previous installment, with an improved story and Captain America returns with a more vigor and awesomeness.

In my opinion, this is one of those Marvel movies that’s on par with Iron Man as a stand-alone movie. Sort of like 'The Dark Knight; of Marvel.

It has got a terrifyingly chilling villain with the added bonus of a thriller of a story line!

Overall, it’s among the finest of Marvel Studios movies and a delight for Captain America fans.

I watched Captain America: The Winter’s Soldier on Hotstar Premium.

It's surely a must watch movie!

@MrRadical said:

X-Men DofP is the best superhero movie, or The Dark Knight if we're to include it in that category.

I agree both of these were better. shoot even dead pool was better.

@johnash95 said:

In my opinion, this is one of those Marvel movies that’s on par with Iron Man as a stand-alone movie.

The Winter Soldier is easily better than Iron Man.

Watchmen and The Dark Knight trilogy. Except I don't think Watchmen is a superhero movie or should be put in the same category as the more classical/typical superhero movies. Watchmen is a character study, it goes deep into the psyche of what might get people to put on a mask and become superhero-like (except for Dr Manhattan no one has real super-powers), it's a political and sociological commentary, it's not meant to entertain, it's meant to make you think, a lot and deeply. I do enjoy popcorn flicks and liked CA:TWS a lot, but true love I save for what truly moves me and makes me question reality. Or maybe I'm just terribly cynical and Watchmen fits a lot better into my reality than some tale about a naive, too goodie good guy like Cap.

@MidnightBlues said:

Watchmen and The Dark Knight trilogy. Except I don't think Watchmen is a superhero movie or should be put in the same category as the more classical/typical superhero movies. Watchmen is a character study, it goes deep into the psyche of what might get people to put on a mask and become superhero-like (except for Dr Manhattan no one has real super-powers), it's a political and sociological commentary, it's not meant to entertain, it's meant to make you think, a lot and deeply.

All these things don't mean Watchmen isn't a superhero film. It's just a superhero film that does all those things. Logan is a character study. Batman Begins is a character study. They're all on different scales of how deep or how artistically they play with the mythology. But they're all still superhero films.

It depends on what you prioritize. Undoubtedly, it's been often classified and marketed as a superhero movie, which has attracted too many people who felt terribly disappointed after watching it, because that was not what they were expecting at all. To me, the psychological, social and historical aspects and questions raised by the film, are more important than the fact that its characters wear masks. I'd soon group it with Citizen Kane than Ant-Man.

Does Robocop count?

Paul Verhoeven's Robocop (1987) TOWERS above every other comicbook superhero movie made since... There is no contest...

Everything else is a cartoon by comparison, the aesthetics, the story, the scathing satire, the action and the personal drama...

• The Christ-like resurrection is stronger than Zach Snyder's religious imagery in Superman vs Batman...
• The R-rated satire of militerised police is transgresive rather than the proto fascist PG-13ness of Nolan's Batmans...
• The nature of man philosophy and human drama makes Logan seem like a one-note study of a loser...
• It's critique of late 20th century capitalism in the abscence of successful models of political economy and ideology is more accessable and resonant than anything in Watchmen...

It's compellingly contraditory... It's so 1980s, yet holds up well and has a timely commentary on the contemporary world we find outselves in... It's a kid's movie, yet mature and targeted at an adult audience... It's thought provoking, yet also silly fun... It's a big blockbuster film, yet is undoubtably the vision of an individual artist...

Nothing comes close...

I'd buy that for a dollar! 😉😁😎

@MidnightBlues said:

It depends on what you prioritize. Undoubtedly, it's been often classified and marketed as a superhero movie, which has attracted too many people who felt terribly disappointed after watching it, because that was not what they were expecting at all.

Oh, of course. It's very anti-mainstream. But I still say it's a superhero film.

To me, the psychological, social and historical aspects and questions raised by the film, are more important than the fact that its characters wear masks. I'd soon group it with Citizen Kane than Ant-Man.

But when grouping it with Citizen Kane we're talking aesthetics and approach. It has similar auteuristic intentions behind it to Citizen Kane, but it's the same genre as Ant-Man.

When people went to see The Thin Red Line people were probably expecting a war film akin to Saving Private Ryan and were then baffled by the challenging poetry of Terrence Mallick. But it is still a war film.

@Damienracer said:

RoboCop was garbage the remake was better and had more heart.

😲 This is quite possibly the most fantastical thing I've ever read on these boards since the demise of imdb...

Joking surely?