First of all, it's not up to Barbara whether Jenelle gets Jace; it's up to a judge. A judge that hasn't heard the case yet, in part because Jenelle herself has skipped out on court dates (she admitted to having a fight with Nathan right before one of the dates and scheduling an emergency couple's therapy appointment at the exact time she's due in court).

Secondly, anyone who's been watching the show, following Jenelle on social media, or reading any of the interviews she gives has heard this narrative before: "I'm in a happy relationship, I have a new house, I'm stable, etc." She and David haven't been together long at all; on top of it, she's already got a kid on the way. She's engaged now and showing off her...4th?...engagement ring in what, five or six years? Any time Jenelle moves into a house, everyone knows it won't be long until she and her boyfriend of the moment break up and she moves out. Yes, she's bought and paid for this one, but after she and David are done, she won't want to live there--if not for the "I need a fresh start" reasons, it'll be because they plopped down in the middle of the country since she's adopted his lifestyle, just like she's morphed into a totally different person based on what her boyfriend of the moment has always wanted, and she isn't gonna wanna live in the sticks.

Yes, she finished her trade school program, but she failed her certification test, never re-took it, never enrolled in any other program, and certainly never got a job. If her TV show goes south tomorrow, she has 0 plan for how she's going to pay for those kids. She still has partial custody of Kaiser, sure, but have you watched the show? David takes care of that kid all the time; Jenelle has no idea how to be maternal to him or no desire to be. Any speaking of David, this is a guy she moved into her house with her young sons when he has a restraining order against him that prevents him from seeing his own son because he was so violent to his son's mother. He's facing jail time for intentionally violating it, at that. Why aren't Jenelle and David fighting? Because she's finally found herself with a guy who's valuable just for taking care of her kids--there's no heat/passion there because there's no attraction--and this is probably the first guy she's ACTUALLY scared will be violent with her, despite having alleged domestic violence against every guy she's been with. When everyone in her life can see that he's controlling, it'll only be a matter of time before she isn't with him any more, reveals how controlling he was, retweets negative things about him, and claims that her new boyfriend is the "best relationship she's ever had." Wash, rinse, repeat.

I'm not sure I can add anything else to this that the previous poster hasn't mentioned, but I'm baffled at how many viewers believe Jenelle is stable.

Jenelle has become complacent is all and how that makes her good enough or raise (not babysit like she's been doing very infrequently until late) I'll never know. Jenelle has completely given up on herself, the less children under her legal custody the better for everyone.

@unluckytwin said:

First of all, it's not up to Barbara whether Jenelle gets Jace; it's up to a judge. A judge that hasn't heard the case yet, in part because Jenelle herself has skipped out on court dates (she admitted to having a fight with Nathan right before one of the dates and scheduling an emergency couple's therapy appointment at the exact time she's due in court).

Secondly, anyone who's been watching the show, following Jenelle on social media, or reading any of the interviews she gives has heard this narrative before: "I'm in a happy relationship, I have a new house, I'm stable, etc." She and David haven't been together long at all; on top of it, she's already got a kid on the way. She's engaged now and showing off her...4th?...engagement ring in what, five or six years? Any time Jenelle moves into a house, everyone knows it won't be long until she and her boyfriend of the moment break up and she moves out. Yes, she's bought and paid for this one, but after she and David are done, she won't want to live there--if not for the "I need a fresh start" reasons, it'll be because they plopped down in the middle of the country since she's adopted his lifestyle, just like she's morphed into a totally different person based on what her boyfriend of the moment has always wanted, and she isn't gonna wanna live in the sticks.

Yes, she finished her trade school program, but she failed her certification test, never re-took it, never enrolled in any other program, and certainly never got a job. If her TV show goes south tomorrow, she has 0 plan for how she's going to pay for those kids. She still has partial custody of Kaiser, sure, but have you watched the show? David takes care of that kid all the time; Jenelle has no idea how to be maternal to him or no desire to be. Any speaking of David, this is a guy she moved into her house with her young sons when he has a restraining order against him that prevents him from seeing his own son because he was so violent to his son's mother. He's facing jail time for intentionally violating it, at that. Why aren't Jenelle and David fighting? Because she's finally found herself with a guy who's valuable just for taking care of her kids--there's no heat/passion there because there's no attraction--and this is probably the first guy she's ACTUALLY scared will be violent with her, despite having alleged domestic violence against every guy she's been with. When everyone in her life can see that he's controlling, it'll only be a matter of time before she isn't with him any more, reveals how controlling he was, retweets negative things about him, and claims that her new boyfriend is the "best relationship she's ever had." Wash, rinse, repeat.

Also add that whenever she talks about why she should have Jace and not Barbara she always says so I can take him on trips, so I can do what I want when I want without anyone telling me what to do(like he's a car) and so we can do family thing together etc, etc. she never says so I can take care of him when he's sick, make sure he's happy, stand up for him when bullies pick on him at school, tuck him in at night, comfort him when he's scared,etc,etc...

I said in another post on here that she thinks like a child when it comes down to custody of Jace. A few seasons ago Barbara tried to explain to Jenelle that you can't just take a child out their environment, away from everything they've ever known and she's so 100% right about that. If she does get custody of him I think it would be better if he still saw Barbara a few days a week and then slowly decreased with visiting and then spoke to her daily on the phone and slowly decreased that as well. But I bet Jenelle will never do that and then she'll sit there and wonder why are you so stressed Jace, why do you have anxiety, why aren't happy, why do you miss Barbara?

But I do think that she loves Jace and will be devestated if anything bad happened to him.

@TheCheetahPeach said:

@unluckytwin said:

First of all, it's not up to Barbara whether Jenelle gets Jace; it's up to a judge. A judge that hasn't heard the case yet, in part because Jenelle herself has skipped out on court dates (she admitted to having a fight with Nathan right before one of the dates and scheduling an emergency couple's therapy appointment at the exact time she's due in court).

Secondly, anyone who's been watching the show, following Jenelle on social media, or reading any of the interviews she gives has heard this narrative before: "I'm in a happy relationship, I have a new house, I'm stable, etc." She and David haven't been together long at all; on top of it, she's already got a kid on the way. She's engaged now and showing off her...4th?...engagement ring in what, five or six years? Any time Jenelle moves into a house, everyone knows it won't be long until she and her boyfriend of the moment break up and she moves out. Yes, she's bought and paid for this one, but after she and David are done, she won't want to live there--if not for the "I need a fresh start" reasons, it'll be because they plopped down in the middle of the country since she's adopted his lifestyle, just like she's morphed into a totally different person based on what her boyfriend of the moment has always wanted, and she isn't gonna wanna live in the sticks.

Yes, she finished her trade school program, but she failed her certification test, never re-took it, never enrolled in any other program, and certainly never got a job. If her TV show goes south tomorrow, she has 0 plan for how she's going to pay for those kids. She still has partial custody of Kaiser, sure, but have you watched the show? David takes care of that kid all the time; Jenelle has no idea how to be maternal to him or no desire to be. Any speaking of David, this is a guy she moved into her house with her young sons when he has a restraining order against him that prevents him from seeing his own son because he was so violent to his son's mother. He's facing jail time for intentionally violating it, at that. Why aren't Jenelle and David fighting? Because she's finally found herself with a guy who's valuable just for taking care of her kids--there's no heat/passion there because there's no attraction--and this is probably the first guy she's ACTUALLY scared will be violent with her, despite having alleged domestic violence against every guy she's been with. When everyone in her life can see that he's controlling, it'll only be a matter of time before she isn't with him any more, reveals how controlling he was, retweets negative things about him, and claims that her new boyfriend is the "best relationship she's ever had." Wash, rinse, repeat.

Also add that whenever she talks about why she should have Jace and not Barbara she always says so I can take him on trips, so I can do what I want when I want without anyone telling me what to do(like he's a car) and so we can do family thing together etc, etc. she never says so I can take care of him when he's sick, make sure he's happy, stand up for him when bullies pick on him at school, tuck him in at night, comfort him when he's scared,etc,etc...

I said in another post on here that she thinks like a child when it comes down to custody of Jace. A few seasons ago Barbara tried to explain to Jenelle that you can't just take a child out their environment, away from everything they've ever known and she's so 100% right about that. If she does get custody of him I think it would be better if he still saw Barbara a few days a week and then slowly decreased with visiting and then spoke to her daily on the phone and slowly decreased that as well. But I bet Jenelle will never do that and then she'll sit there and wonder why are you so stressed Jace, why do you have anxiety, why aren't happy, why do you miss Barbara?

The second part ^{^} also happened when she was with Nathan which was like two months ago.....when they had this conversation.

I think Jace is better off with Babs. That's all he knows, you can't just uproot him.

Being in a stable relationship and having a house has nothing to do with being a good mother. They're are tons of people out there who are in a good-happy relationship with a big house and nice cars but are terrible parents. Then there's the poorest of poor who sometimes end up being the best parents you'll ever meet.