And, per Wikipedia:

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

I've now and then seen the term, but never, till now, knew what it means.

The TMDb boards get their share of that.

@genplant29 said:

And, per Wikipedia:

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

I've now and then seen the term, but never, till now, knew what it means.

This is my first time seeing this term too but I rarely frequent sites where this is the norm.

That's a cute little term. I wish DRD hadn't referred to me as a ""troll"" in the first place.

Tell ya what, DRD, if you read Fuller's Textbook / Workbook that I mentioned earlier and give us proof of it, I may take a look at the article that you deemed was so important that I read in this thread.

Peace, two fingers y'all. (A just woke-up posting.)

@DRDMovieMusings said:

If you really believed that, you'd have checked out the link.

In actuality, I dunno if you realize this, but there are many different ways of tackling a tricky subject / problem such as White Supremacy.

You're just empty talk, an annoying troll asking questions the topics of and answers to which you're not even interested.

You're annoying, too.

Around and around and around. There'll always be a Candyland.

Homie, you know there's a difference between misspelling a word and completely putting down a different word, yeah?

I don't remember doing that, Neo

@NeoLosman said:

Why'd you delete your original reply, 'Loid? Again, if we're done squabbling over what's essentially someone saying "Jennifer Lauren won Best Actress for her role in Silver Linings Playbook", instead of "Jennifer Lawerence", kindly address what the gist of what I said....

"Apparently my calling Calvin Candie out as a monster, denouncing the hypocrisy of so-called free states allowing bounty hunters to bring escaped slaves back to slave-holding states during the era in which Django takes place, and calling out the use of a pseudoscience like phrenology to justify keeping one's fellow human beings in chains makes me "an apologist for white supremacy(correction added)"

🤣

@NeoLosman said:

Why'd you delete your original reply, 'Loid? Again, if we're done squabbling over what's essentially someone saying "Jennifer Lauren won Best Actress for her role in Silver Linings Playbook", instead of "Jennifer Lawerence", kindly address what the gist of what I said....

There is a difference between what you're saying and my earlier point of contention. It's not about spelling. "White slavery" does not mean exactly the same as "White Supremacy." That's a bit of trickery on your part. Until you take the time to learn the difference between the two terms and what they mean, I don't see any point in continuing our dialogue.

Have a good day.

@NeoLosman said:

There is a difference between what you're saying and my earlier point of contention. It's not about spelling. "White slavery" does not mean exactly the same as "White Supremacy."

And I never so much as implied that they did, unless you're now confusing my having accidentally written "slavery" instead of "supremacy" for "trickery on my part". Again, given my scathing words on Calvin Candie, Steven, and the practice of slavery itself, I'm baffled as to how anyone could mistake me for "an apologist for white supremacy". Unless of course, one is trying to deliberately misrepresent everything I've said, a tactic which everyone on all sides of the political spectrum is employing against those of us who are too independent for their liking these days

You couldn't seem to get how the uproarious scene wherein Calvin gets the best of Django and Dr. Schultz comes off as a defense of racism, on some level or another -- why? What you did do was to write about the subject in historically locked words so dense and overwrought that it took far too much time to understand what you meant

Such tactics are remarkably similar to the sort of chicanery one saw out of real life Calvin Candies in pre-Civil War America, who misrepresented abolitionists as haters of The Constitution who were trying to deprive slave holding aristocracy of The Deep South of their liberty, by calling them out for depriving a few million human beings of freedom

Right....

@NeoLosman said:

You couldn't seem to get how the uproarious scene wherein Calvin gets the best of Django and Dr. Schultz comes off as a defense of racism, on some level or another -- why?

Calvin himself is defending his own racism in that scene. The overall content and tone of the film make it pretty clear that DU, as a film, is NOT a defense of racism or white supremacy

You're playing to the crowd with that comment, which is very telling. Learn to read between the lines cinematically.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, "racism" and "white supremacy" are synonyms.

@NeoLosman said:

You're playing to the crowd with that comment, which is very telling. Learn to read between the lines cinematically.

Cites some specific scenes of this movie which are either blatant endorsements of racism and white supremacy, or which even so much as imply that these are things we should aspire to. I'm open to the idea that I may not have noticed such elements within Django Unchained

Look, the point I'm trying to make is that many scenes in films you see may not be that "blatant," which is why you should look between the lines. You don't have to aspire to racism / white supremacy at all -- you submit to it just by living in the system that we all support every day. You cooperate with it. The very scene that we've been discussing for several posts now strikes me as one of the type that you asked me to name. Check it out, King Schultz and Django fail to rescue Broomhilda (what a name -- it reminds me of a witch) on their own terms. They are outsmarted by Calvin and the belly-up, black coward Stephen, in their mission. And I hate to say it, but DiCaprio gives a mind-blowing performance within this very context that made even yours truly think, Well, goddamn, maybe we should all just stay in our places as black people and not revolt, like those two tried to.

Neo, I'm getting a late start and have to get moving on with my day, but I hope you take something from my post and not simply use it as fodder for pointless back-and-forth. Catch you later.

BTW, one interesting look at black people in cinema you might want to check out in your learning process is the book "Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies and Bucks: An Intepretive History of Blacks in American Films" by Donald Bogle.

@CelluloidFan said:

@NeoLosman said:

You're playing to the crowd with that comment, which is very telling. Learn to read between the lines cinematically.

Cites some specific scenes of this movie which are either blatant endorsements of racism and white supremacy, or which even so much as imply that these are things we should aspire to. I'm open to the idea that I may not have noticed such elements within Django Unchained

Look, the point I'm trying to make is that many scenes in films you see may not be that "blatant," which is why you should look between the lines. You don't have to aspire to racism /white supremacy at all -- you submit to it, just by living within the system that we all support every day. You cooperate with it. The very scene that we've been discussing for several posts now strikes me as one of the type that you asked me to name. Check it out, King Schultz and Django fail to rescue Broomhilda (what a name -- it reminds me of a witch) on their own terms. They are outsmarted by Calvin and the belly-up, black coward Stephen in their mission. And I hate to say it, but DiCaprio gives a mind-blowing performance within this very context that made even yours truly think, Well, goddamn, maybe we should all just stay in our places as black people and not revolt, like those two tried to.

Neo, I'm getting a late start and have to get moving on with my day, but I hope that you take something from my post and not simply use it as fodder for pointless back-and-forth. Catch you later.

Here you go Cell, Broomhilda with a hangover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP6gb8b8WLE

@NeoLosman said:

The very scene that we've been discussing for several posts now strikes me as one of the type that you asked me to name. Check it out, King Schultz and Django fail to rescue Broomhilda (what a name -- it reminds me of a witch) on their own terms. They are outsmarted by Calvin and the belly-up, black coward Stephen in their mission.

Is that an "endorsement of white supremacy", or is it also possible that Tarantino(not being a Marvel director)is depicting our protagonists as flawed human beings, rather than superheroes who rarely if ever have the villains get much of a drop on them? It's a non sequitur leap to watch this scene(especially given the overall context it takes place in. Earlier, we saw Django gun down both the man who tortured Brunhilda and several of his associates a few scenes after this)and then jump to the conclusion "Tarantino is saying that white supremacy is a good thing"

The revenge scene against Hildy's torturers is inspiring A.F. BTW them's your words, not mine (the bold type)

And I hate to say it, but DiCaprio gives a mind-blowing performance within this very context that made even yours truly think, Well, goddamn, maybe we should all just stay in our places as black people and not revolt, like those two tried to.

If you found yourself thinking such a thing after a scene from a flick that was essentially QT's homage to the slaveslpoitation flicks of yesteryear(DU is an ode to a genre of films that were essentially comic books on the big screen, not too be take remotely seriously), I respectfully submit that you've got some work to do on yourself in a shrink's office, preferably one who's been trained in the empirically validated approaches

Are, you kidding me? A strong performance is a strong performance, regardless of the context it's presented in. With DiCaprio's hand bleeding maybe the whole time he gives his speech about King and his "unexceptional" N-word? Let's agree to disagree.

https://images.app.goo.gl/jg4dAa5UD3MireQC7