@Innovator said:

@OddRob said:

@Innovator said:

@OddRob said:

@Innovator said:

@OddRob said:

Its going to have some great action scenes. But its going to flop hard thanks to no China money and the Covid fear. Its projected to be the worst opening MCU film. So we will see.

According to Forbes, it's picked up $140 mil world wide the opening weekend. With a $200 mil budget ($75.5 mil domestic 3 day and $90 mil for the 4 day weekend; over double the record for a labor day weekend), the drop off next weekend would have to be 100% for it to flop now. If it drops in the 70% range like all the other movies, all that would prove is that Scarlett Johansson has no case, as her movie actually made more money because of streaming. However, this would mean bad news for The Eternals and all other Marvel productions this year, which may cause them to be rescheduled.

Its at $146 mil world wide which is great considering the Covids. Sure its $200 mil budget but dont forget the x1.5-2.0 for advertising. So around $400 to $500 mil to make a profit. I cant see this being a flop unless the send week drop is just abnormally large. But didnt the same thing happen to BW? Pretty good first weekend and than nothing. I wonder how this is going to effect the rest of the MCU films and films over all honestly. I think Venom got moved up 20 days...coincidence...Also Shang Chi is #21 when it comes to opening weekend numbers for the MCU. Right below Antman and the Wasp. So this isnt some amazing ground breaking film when it comes to opening weekend numbers. Again, BW had a better opening weekend and we all so how that turned out.

Every movie right now drops 70+% the second week. Shang Chi will probably do the same, but if it does you can bet Marvel will seriously start looking at either rescheduling or pushing for streaming again. Also, Johansson won't really have a case, since it proves she actually made more money because of Disney+.

Very interesting times we are living in for sure. But who knows maybe we will get back to the 1 billion club soon enough with the right film. As for ScarJo, I just read that she wanted $80 mil for BW since there was rumor about streaming as same day cinema release. Jesus.

Box Office Mojo is reporting only a -44% drop this weekend (others are reporting -53%), which is unheard of for any movie put out this year. It's not gonna make the billion dollar club cause China just banned it (due to statements the lead made many many years ago). However, with how it's currently tracking it's not going to bomb either.

The big question now is will Disney bury future Shang-Chi projects nor risk Simu Liu's appearance in future Avengers movies because his involvement would result in an automatic ban in China? I could even see them recasting him due to "creative differences".

Yep, its holding on tight. I think it will do better than BW in the long haul. And wow I never really thought about Simu Liu being a problem for Marvel now. You are right, how are they going to get him into other films if the CCP have it out for him? I mean the rumors were around for awhile that China wont show it but that old interview sealed it. Love how they tried to scrub it from the net but that shit is always archived.

I don't know what to make of this. Awkwafina is quite good in it. However, the action never excited me much at all.

It needs a second viewing.

@CelluloidFan said:

I don't know what to make of this. Awkwafina is quite good in it. However, the action never excited me much at all.

It needs a second viewing.

Been meaning to ask you CL, have you started watching any of the Disney Plus shows yet?

@GusGorman said:

@CelluloidFan said:

I don't know what to make of this. Awkwafina is quite good in it. However, the action never excited me much at all.

It needs a second viewing.

Been meaning to ask you CL, have you started watching any of the Disney Plus shows yet?

Nope, Gus. The Marvel shebang seems a lot more like work than entertainment now, checking boxes rather than enjoying oneself.

I get what your saying but there's still a few gems hidden in there.

One of my favorite Marvels films, wasn't expecting much especially after being pretty disappointed by Black Widow but wow Marvel did a great job with Shang-Chi.

Does anyone have any idea(s) as to why so much of the action in the film feels so muted tonally? I mean, from the first fight between Shang-Chi's dad and the woman, it just felt unlike the MCU to me. And this was expressing a point, no doubt... but what was that point?

@CelluloidFan said:

Does anyone have any idea(s) as to why so much of the action in the film feels so muted tonally? I mean, from the first fight between Shang-Chi's dad and the woman, it just felt unlike the MCU to me. And this was expressing a point, no doubt... but what was that point?

Romance fighting is a staple of Chinese drama. Also, it was a callback to kung-fu films, like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. The bus fight and the scaffolding fight was a direct homage to Jackie Chan movies, which was even choreographed by a member of Jackie Chan's stunt team. The final fight was heavily influenced by anime, especially Dragonball Z (the shot with Shang-Chi running alongside the dragon was directly lifted from the show), which the director is a big fan of. The point is, it's paying homage to a lot of the Asian cinema that came before it as it takes its place among them.

@Innovator said:

@CelluloidFan said:

Does anyone have any idea(s) as to why so much of the action in the film feels so muted tonally? I mean, from the first fight between Shang-Chi's dad and the woman, it just felt unlike the MCU to me. And this was expressing a point, no doubt... but what was that point?

Romance fighting is a staple of Chinese drama. Also, it was a callback to kung-fu films, like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. The bus fight and the scaffolding fight was a direct homage to Jackie Chan movies, which was even choreographed by a member of Jackie Chan's stunt team. The final fight was heavily influenced by anime, especially Dragonball Z (the shot with Shang-Chi running alongside the dragon was directly lifted from the show), which the director is a big fan of. The point is, it's paying homage to a lot of the Asian cinema that came before it as it takes its place among them.

You know, I actually was hip to a lot of those influences; it just didn't register for me while watching the film!

Thanks for breaking it down for me.

Comme regarder les films

@Tairua said:

Comme regarder les films

Come Drink With Me is one of my favorite martial arts films of all time; I do believe it contains a "romance fight."

I'm not crazy about seeing Crouching Tiger... but I enjoyed much of what I saw of it. Its influence on Shang-Chi... is obvious.

I enjoyed much of Rumble in the Bronx and felt that the tree shredder scene in it was hilarious.

Etc...