@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Russ007 said:

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Russ007 said:

... even if Edwards only did 60% of the finished film (never seen a exact percentage before but knew about the reshoot) then it's still his vision, his direction, and his film. Every studio film has reshoots and I'm sure you're aware of 2nd Unit directors shooting footage for any given film. So no large project such as Rogue One would ever be 100% a director's work.

I can't believe you actually wrote this! The biggest joke now as that I'm not even entirely sure you know what a director is / does given that you wrote this...

Rich coming from you.

How so. Please elaborate?

Seems like you don't understand what a director does from what you've just written.

Do you genuinely believe that the director has to double up as a 2nd unit camera man to 100% completely be the film's director? 😂

When did I ever say that?

Anyone else got their SW rankings? 😁

Puh-leeze . Can we get any more film nerd pretentious here. Films are not Visions.

For a moment there I thought he wrote SJW rankings.😆

Oh Nex you and you SJW obsession

Hey I just had written to "our mutual friend" at the DISC board who is truly obsessed by it.

@Russ007 said:

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Russ007 said:

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@Russ007 said:

... even if Edwards only did 60% of the finished film (never seen a exact percentage before but knew about the reshoot) then it's still his vision, his direction, and his film. Every studio film has reshoots and I'm sure you're aware of 2nd Unit directors shooting footage for any given film. So no large project such as Rogue One would ever be 100% a director's work.

I can't believe you actually wrote this! The biggest joke now as that I'm not even entirely sure you know what a director is / does given that you wrote this...

Rich coming from you.

How so. Please elaborate?

Seems like you don't understand what a director does from what you've just written.

Do you genuinely believe that the director has to double up as a 2nd unit camera man to 100% completely be the film's director? 😂

When did I ever say that?

You didn't say that per se. I was being facetious given your nonsense comments re reshoots and 2nd units and their bearing on whether a film is "100% a director's work"!

Look, I'm not one of these guys that gets all excited having back and forth pointless arguments and saying crap like "rich coming from you" - what's next are you going to start saying "butt-hurt" and garbage like that?

In fact, I've only been replying re your calling my comments a "joke". It seems utterly ridiculous to have explain my initial calling out of your praise of Edwards' fantastic "execution" given how famous the mess around Rogue One's production was, but I will seeing as you appear either to be completely ignorant of it or you have no understand of what a director does.

After Edwards' cut was viewed by Disney, the reins were handed over to Tony Gilroy. The guy was subsequently given a screenwriters credit for the film. Do you comprehend that means that a significant enough portion of the script was changed from what Edwards worked on that that it couldn't be considered the same script (Have a wee think about what that means for your director's "vision")? Vader's Mustafar and tunnel lightsaber scenes were added, the ending on Scarif completely rewritten, the introduction of characters, the characterisation of characters (! "This is a rebellion isn't it? I rebel"), the timing of the reveal of the Death Star, the ordering of certain aspects of the movie all changed / added after Edwards left.

AFTER all this, the guy subsequently had no control over the final edit of the film. So where exactly did his fantastic execution come into play?

But yeah... I'm the one making a "joke" for questioning what his version of the film may have looked like 😂

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060

(p.s. Please don't reply with something as stupid as "yeah but he's listed as the director isn't he, so...")

I've always been aware of the many production issues Rogue One went through, and I understand where you're coming from, but you seem to be giving Edwards too little credit to the point that he wasn't even attached to the film in any shape or form. Sure, Gilroy did some heavy lifting after PP but it's not like they dumped all of Edwards' work and started anew.

I'm not surprised he'd no control over the final cut – Star Wars films are made by Disney after all. The committee that wrote TROS being the most recent example of their authority.

I think you're taking the word "joke" too personally and somehow negatively which is most odd.

Well the whole Disney interfering with directors is not a new thing for Disney a similar thing happened to director Gary Nelson while making The Black Hole in 1979.