The timing of your post is unreal. I came here earlier today to say the exact same thing but decided to finish season 2 first and see if it got any better. It didn't. I don't get it. As I watched, couldn't tell if it was Ellen Page, Vanya's storyline, or both. This is a great ensemble cast, but Page just doesn't fit. Then, in the ultimate of ironies, her character is a whiny self-centered character that doesn't seem to fit with her family, constantly making it about her.

In addition to all that, the storyline for Vanya and the farmer's wife didn't work for me. I don't know if it was pacing, chemistry, or what, but I found myself disagreeing out loud when the farmer's wife was declaring her love to Vanya. I just didn't buy it. Of course, there was also the trope of on-again/off-again starts and stops about leaving together and then not. I mean, it was truly nonsensical. By the final episode I could have cared less what happened to either one of them or the kid.

I really like this series, but Ellen Page about ruins the whole experience. Does she have some special in with the writers/director or something? It feels almost like a vehicle written for her, but if so it definitely doesn't work. Glad I'm not the only one!

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Since Ellen Page became a feminist her acting went trash. Having to add a lesbian part to the series was too Woke for me. Like you said, no chemistry and annoying.

Klaus is sad because he thought it was HIS fault for keeping Ben around instead of going to heaven. And for losing the love of his life (in Vietnam). I like his character but it pisses me off seeing acting like a retard 99% of the time.

Allison: She has the best power and don't use it? She could spread a rumor about her husband being a better one and allow her to keep or see her own daughter?

Luthor: Poor guy. Useless.

The Handler: I liked her. It's a shame they killed her.

Number Five: I guess he's the protagonist since he's the one who can save the world by time-traveling.

I was saying in a review earlier, if the show can keep the woke stuff to a minimum, then it has a chance. Also if they can keep the actress for the Allison character (Emmy Raver-Lampman) from eating everything in sight off-camera, then I think the show could definitely be mememorable.

Also I could have sworn that chick who played in Juno and Elliot Page were the same person. lol

@DallasBob said:

I could have sworn that chick who played in Juno and Elliot Page were the same person. lol

Not sure if you are being serious but Ellen Page/Eliot Page are the same person. They have decided to change their gender.

@bratface said:

@DallasBob said:

I could have sworn that chick who played in Juno and Elliot Page were the same person. lol

Not sure if you are being serious but Ellen Page/Eliot Page are the same person. They have decided to change their gender.

Whaaaaat...!? Yikes. If that's the case, then she is joins the ranks of Vince Vauhn, Owen Wilson, Denzel Washington, Jason Statham, Melissa McCarthy, Anne Hathaway (though she did really good in Get Smart), and anyone else who is the exact same person no matter what movie role they decide to do. lol

@bratface said:

@DallasBob said:

I could have sworn that chick who played in Juno and Elliot Page were the same person. lol

Not sure if you are being serious but Ellen Page/Eliot Page are the same person. They have decided to change their gender.

Question would be if that adds any value to the plot, or if it is just some woke stuff to justify E. Page's gender choice?

Being that the case I ask myself, what's important here...

The actors and actresses gender choices or the plot? Are we seriously changing the whole story and adapting the whole show just for one person's choice? Why don't we switch actors instead to remain faithful to source material? What does that have to do with the show itself? What value does it bring?

I don't see how it gave any plus to the show, and I completely fail to see the point. E. Page is just not good and does not represent very well the character.

I seriously believe that the show has very good source material to take ideas from, but the writers have done a very, and I seriously mean it, very poor job in representing this. You just can't please everyone when writing a show like this, you have to focus on what makes the source material attractive in the first place, and let's face it, gender changes in a show based off a graphic novel series with no such thing takes some of the attractiveness away.

Stupidest thing they could of done is integrate Ellen Page's gender change into the show. BOOOOOORING! I don't care that she has done that. No problem with that at all. But he is still a crap actor, and this gender change thing gives NOTHING to the show. I would even say it is out of place. With that said... Season three has some interesting twists. Only on ep2 right now, but the show has not lost it's sparkle.

I'm agreeing with Reyes. And in my earlier statement, since I didn't (and don't) keep up with [using TalisBriedis' labeling] E. Page to know the gender swap occured, I also did not know she was the same actRESS from those movies. But now that I know, I seriously thought her character in the 2nd season, because she was so plain-jane, was a herm; and that the family didn't talk about it. Hollywood, even before the woke-ism, did not do very well with comic book adaptions when it came to important details. For myself, I kept thinking "She has a pretty cool power, but this person is so...bland." You'd think a character that observed everyone in her family for so many years would be a bit more intuitive, animated, introspective, and have a low-key certified charisma within the family; in short, she'd be a bit more like Five.

Not the case.

As TalisB said, her gender swap was boring. The character has potential, but the actress is not the person to be her. As Reyes said, the gender swapping has nothing to do with the story and added bubkis to the plot. As I am saying now, both are absolutely correct because social politics have no place in entertainment. Imagination will NOT mix with fixed politics. Politics is the process of arguing for your side; its whole purpose is to get people toward your way of thinking. And when you do that subversively, it's called an agenda. A scheme. Propaganda. You will never write good hero characters from that.

Storywise -- Viktoria's nonsense is just an ugly pothole, acted out by an anti-charismatic blackhole. ( lol ) The underlying social politics thing always adds a lot "oil" to the water, they did good with Allison's downward spiral of despair, but not being up to par for good writing, turned the character into an unlikeable asshole instead of someone to feel sorrow for. The same reason goes for Viktoria, they couldn't write the bi--female out of "his" character. Dudes don't plead to make up with chicks who are being assholes; not with women they haven't slept with.

The rest of the show was amazingly...slightly a bit more than Meh. The dancing in the beginning was a bit cringe, the black guy dying in the beginning was par for course with Netflix. Because one of the most glaring faults of Woke-ism is its innate ability to contradict its own edicts. The fight in the supermarket was unecessary and pointless. The Amish being so hostile toward Klaus was out of nowhere. Klaus' training was hilarious. The other two Sparrows dying-- Who!? -- precisely. Five talking to Viktor about an innocent white man (Harlon) being murdered (by their 'sister of minority') "not such a big thing in the grand scheme" while speaking on the responsibilities and consequences of being superheroes, was complete and utter horseshit. And the half black blind chick dying was surprising in that Netflix would allow a woman of color to die. Allison getting home (aside from the fact she's a murderer) to her daughter and black husband was some of the most low-key racist shit I've seen since the first Doctor Strange movie, where the woke casting executive gave a key role to another androgynous white woman instead of casting an apropos "inclusive" Asian man for the role. BUT again, one must never forget, this is Netflix. >sighs<

I'm not sure where the show is going from there. Will I watch it when it comes out...? Yeah. More than likely. Will I be waiting with baited breath?....not bloody likely!!!! 5/10, but only because the women who were women, looked like women.

[this should not matter but considering the kind of people I'm criticizing, and their ability to twist and weaponize words, makes this proclamation necessary. It's so some of my criticisms will not be taken out of context, I make it known: I am a black man.]

I got nothing against social politics in entertainment. Wadda ya think the old 'ABC after school specials' were? Some of them were not half bad. But the whole plot of it is social politics. Umbrella Academy is something else. Not a platform for social politics. Unless the writers are running out of ideas and they need the filler. Far too many times this happens in good shows. They burn out quickly. Even without the gender swapd filler, this season was pretty weak in comparison to the previous. Maybe they truly are running out of ideas.