Discuss Oppenheimer

Somebody please tell this guy to take break from making movies at least for 10 years,I was his big fan already since Memento/Insomnia times when he flew under mainstream radar, but nowadays his approach seems to be waste as much money as possible (cast, effects) and follow mantra longer is better, which it ain't unless you are shooting next Heat, heck even Schindler's list or Zodiac were not borefests at such runtime.

This movie is way too long for such topic, heck even two hours would be too much (better watch some condensed documentary on him and I'm sure it will be better spent time), more than half of the movie is dealing with his leftist political views and investigation whether he is communist or not. Who the fuck cares? I couldn't care less (coming from former commie country hating commies unlike people who never had them), it was popular back in 30/40s and we all know what went on with McCarthy in 50s in US, I don't need to listen for 1+ hour commie this commie that, which is not relevant anymore at all.

Another quarter of the movie deals with him being womanizer fucking around, wow a shocker, what's next? Let's be honest most of the people will watch this because they are interested in his development of A bomb and they don't give a shit about his women or politics and if Nolan would split these topics into two movies he was see how horribly would tank the commie movie, but he knew this, so he forced fed us with 3 hours repetitive persecuted commie garbage.

Nolan had stellar cast, which was really underused and they just wanted to check their list to be in Nolan movie, but their presence served no other purpose, he should take notes from Dunkirk you don't need big names to make a movie.

I went into barbie thinking it will be shit and it was OK not worse than I expected, I knew Nolan jumped the shark and didn't really make great movie since Interstellar (let's say Dunkirk was ok) so I didn't expect much, but I really didn't expect something so bad, can't decide whether this or Batman begins is worse and I saw everything since Following. Already the runtime tries to scare you away, which is why I postponed viewing for long time, but it still didn't help and had to break the viewing last half an hour (which improved movie thanks to great score, but without great score it would be unwatchable boredom, which is when you realize it has no interesting content) for next day.

Cut away the woman affairs and commie crap, make it max 2 hours not a minute longer and it could have been two points higher.

6/10

Btw Rumble through the dark is even bigger trash, don't even bother, that's like 4-5/10. Can't decide who disappointed me more whether Fincher with The Killer or Nolan with this, but hey at least killer didn't waste 3 hours of my time.

And for anyone who wanna tell me to watch my marwell movies (which I hate) let me tell you I watched recently 152min Anatomy of a fall, which was Good movie (don't wanna say great) or 147min The Eight Mountains which was very good movie and I consider almost 4hrs long An Elephant sitting still great movie (but that really takes two viewings to watch), just because it's long it doesn't need to be bad and boring like repetitious Oppenheimer. From short very stressful movies I can recommend Full Time or Boiling Point.

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Batman Begins is his best movie. Dunkirk was a fun day out for actors in and around the English Channel but was shit. If Barbie was "ok" but Batman Begins wasn't then forgive the suspicion around that opinion.

maybe reread that, I expected shit and it was ok (read better than shit), anyway you can compare these movies against each other but within genre, same as you rate different way Shrek vs Commieheimer

You're still saying Barbie was ok not sure what the point of you replying was.

I understand your disappointment. I watched it yesterday expecting to see more about the atomic bomb but it was mostly about the government witch-hunt due to his communist (previous?) connection.

As for his affairs, any man with options will exercise it. He became famous and women probably chased him.

The movie didn’t felt long but to think the same director did Interstellar…

@therapist said:

I understand your disappointment. I watched it yesterday expecting to see more about the atomic bomb but it was mostly about the government witch-hunt due to his communist (previous?) connection.

As for his affairs, any man with options will exercise it. He became famous and women probably chased him.

The movie didn’t felt long but to think the same director did Interstellar…

probably tries hard to get Oscar with this wannabe artsy crap

Nolan made a wrong decision what this movie should be about. He decided to make a boring legal drama that focuses on nonessential and really inferior aspects of Oppenheimer's story. Essentially the main driver behind the entire movie was that it was some kind of revenge by a politician that didn't like him and wanted to accuse him and put his name into a mud over some spite. It's really, really dumb decision.

The movie was suppose to be about science, how our basically primate species, that just few thousand of years ago were hunting animals with sticks and stones, were able to deconstruct and control an atom and transform it to another atom, thus controlling the matter itself and the process of creation. That's what this movie was suppose to be about, how humans get to work with the very basics of our reality and affect it, to much disastrous effect. That's what Oppenheimer was suppose to represent, the astronomical leap of science from discovery of electricity to atom bomb, the leap that happened at the beginning of 20's century from theory of relativity, through quantum mechanics and to the building of particle accelerators, in order to understand the universe, but in the process also to create the most destructive weapon ever used. The dilemma and the struggles were suppose to be about that, not about the struggle between long dead ideologies or some boring personal relationships with women. Who cares about that when the main character is Oppenheimer?

Nolan, as usual for himself, is dumbing down good ideas to the thinking level of teenage boys. This movie is pathetic and impotent attempt to imitate Aviator, which is one of the greatest films by Scorsese. But that's what Nolan does in all of his movies, so not surprisingly he did another garbage film that only stupid people will like. I have to give him credit for being a good business man. He makes stupid product for stupid people, because they are the vast majority on this planet. So at least he knows how to make money of them.

I understand your opinion. I also understand that many people can find this movie 'boring' because of the little bomb content and more government and personal content of Oppenheimer. Sorry but I found this movie amazing. It took me some time to fully understand the true meaning of the movie, and I found it great. I personally think that the love scenes in Oppenheimer was also very necessary although you can disagree. Putting the broken relationship between Jean Tatlock and Oppenheimer was quite important because the tragedy of Jean Tatlock meant a lot for Oppenheimer. To explain my view, I do not think that this movie is supposed to be fully about science. This movie is about OPPENHEIMER, his life, his difficulties. The title is Oppenheimer right? It's not "The fat man and little boy" or "The making of the atomic bomb". Nolan already mentioned it in many interviews that this movie is fully about Oppenheimer, so the transcript is even in First Person POV. Oppenheimer is supposed to be about Oppenheimer's life, not fully on the making of the atomic bomb. You should understand that clearly first.

For the Soviet Spy or communism scene, I definitely find it very appropriate. Oppenheimer's future depended on it. It was a very big part of his life.

The movie is made in Oppenheimer's viewpoints. It's fully about Oppenheimer. I understand the disappointment but if you understand the true intention of Nolan for the movie and maybe investigate further before discriminating the director, you won't think the same way. Thank you.

@Markoff said:

@therapist said:

I understand your disappointment. I watched it yesterday expecting to see more about the atomic bomb but it was mostly about the government witch-hunt due to his communist (previous?) connection.

As for his affairs, any man with options will exercise it. He became famous and women probably chased him.

The movie didn’t felt long but to think the same director did Interstellar…

probably tries hard to get Oscar with this wannabe artsy crap

He is prb getting an Oscar. The movie was the best movie this year in my opinion, much better than Barbie. Barbie was a bit too childish, the storyline was not very well-written, the music was great though. The Barbie movie could have been better in my opinion.

@MovieMania0525 said: I understand the disappointment but if you understand the true intention of Nolan for the movie and maybe investigate further before discriminating the director, you won't think the same way.

Unfortunately I watched enough of Nolan to form my opinion about him as director and as storyteller, and I pretty much expressed it. It was more gentle than what I wrote about some of his previous movies, especially the Batman trilogy. I don't like him and I don't like his brother, I think both are horrible writers because nothing worse than presenting yourself as smart, while actually being really stupid.

@pimpskitters said:

@D-magic said:

@MovieMania0525 said: I understand the disappointment but if you understand the true intention of Nolan for the movie and maybe investigate further before discriminating the director, you won't think the same way.

Unfortunately I watched enough of Nolan to form my opinion about him as director and as storyteller, and I pretty much expressed it. It was more gentle than what I wrote about some of his previous movies, especially the Batman trilogy. I don't like him and I don't like his brother, I think both are horrible writers because nothing worse than presenting yourself as smart, while actually being really stupid.

Absolutely agree.

I disagree. I watched Nolan's films ever since I was a young child. I think that his way of storytelling is very elaborate and deeper than what you can see just by watching the film. You need to understand it to appreciate his way of storytelling. They do not present themselves as smart, nor they are stupid. It is not very nice of you to discriminate them just by some movies that they have made. Their storytelling is great in my opinion, and you cannot do anything to change my mind on that. Oppenheimer had more depth than his previous films. I hope you try to fully understand the true meaning before discriminating the director and his brother.

@MovieMania0525 said: I disagree. I watched Nolan's films ever since I was a young child. I think that his way of storytelling is very elaborate and deeper than what you can see just by watching the film. You need to understand it to appreciate his way of storytelling. They do not present themselves as smart, nor they are stupid. It is not very nice of you to discriminate them just by some movies that they have made. Their storytelling is great in my opinion, and you cannot do anything to change my mind on that. Oppenheimer had more depth than his previous films. I hope you try to fully understand the true meaning before discriminating the director and his brother.

Oh no, I understand the true meaning of Nolan's movies perfectly, they are not very complex to miss it. And I still think it's just dumb. It could be interesting to the young male adults and people in their 20's, for sure. But when you grow up and become adult your perception of what is interesting and meaningful changes. And Nolan's movies don't hold water, and after certain age you must realize how stupid their are. So here we are. And I am well aware that there are people in the cult of Nolan that worship all his movies, so I expect someone disagrees with me. I mentioned that Oppenheimer is a pathetic attempt to imitate The Aviator by Scorsese. Now that one is a masterpiece that everyone need to watch. Watch them both and you will see what I mean.

And his brother created some of the dumbest TV shows in the last decade. He is doing a weird mix of pseudo-philosophy and banality, suitable only for a teenager that just read few philosophical quotes on the internet for the first time and immediately thinks he discovered the meaning of life and knows everything there is to know. Both are in a business of blowing up soap bubbles, visually pretty and impressive but eventually hollow inside.

So I finally got around to seeing the movie. It's just okay. Yes, it's too long. No, it's not about the building of the bomb so much as it's about the man, and quite frankly if you want to see a movie about the Manhattan Project I think Fat Man and Little Boy is a much better movie about that. The whole trial/commie hunt is largely boring, especially since they paint the people trying to stop commie infiltration as worse than the actual commies. Which, of course they did, Hollywood hates portraying commies as the monsters they are.

@Adammm said:

Batman Begins is his best movie. Dunkirk was a fun day out for actors in and around the English Channel but was shit. If Barbie was "ok" but Batman Begins wasn't then forgive the suspicion around that opinion.

If Batman Begins was his best movie, then we shouldn't be wasting our time with any others... That movie was a pile of trash, and it was the best??? probably so. He's horrible at making movies; he should be making curly fries.

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