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I am so disappointed - nobody wants to talk about this movie - it is probably my favourite. A great cast - good acting (mainly) good plot and great car chase - what more could you ask for?

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A couple of decent lines too...

Spence: You ever kill anybody?

Sam: I hurt somebody's feelings once.

lol !!

This whole scene was really good:

But, Gregor, we have so much history together, l was sure you wouldn't mind. Besides, the world these days is so...

Unsafe?

Exactly.

l'll show you how unsafe it is.

[...]

l don't know her, but l was ready to blow her brains out. But you, l don't particularly like you. Just imagine what l'll do to you if you try anything. Now give me my money.

A good action movie with a great cast, good performances, good story, beautiful locations and a classic car chase. I'm surprised it's score is so low.

I only really watched this film because of De Niro and Jean Reno. It's a good-ish film that really stands out for its exceptionally good and well constructed car chase. Other than that I felt the film was a little on the long side with a fairly flat final 20 minutes or so. Moreover I didn't really feel sympathy for any of the leads given that they were mostly all bad buys, and shooting indiscriminately at innocent people.

But Reno and Bob are always good value, and I am glad I watched them work together.

It's not a bad movie (De Niro & Reno) BUT I hated the ending!

Yes, the ending was pretty flat. So much so that I can barely remember what happened, other than the very last couple of minutes with Bob and Jean drinking in the coffee shop.

Such a shame because the film as a whole (bar those last 20 mins) was very well constructed, ramping up the suspense and tension accordingly

@TeaCake said:

Yes, the ending was pretty flat. So much so that I can barely remember what happened, other than the very last couple of minutes with Bob and Jean drinking in the coffee shop.

Such a shame because the film as a whole (bar those last 20 mins) was very well constructed, ramping up the suspense and tension accordingly

What pissed me off was that they didn't disclose what WAS IN THE FRICKING BRIEFCASE!

It was a maguffin !!

@bratface said:

@TeaCake said:

Yes, the ending was pretty flat. So much so that I can barely remember what happened, other than the very last couple of minutes with Bob and Jean drinking in the coffee shop.

Such a shame because the film as a whole (bar those last 20 mins) was very well constructed, ramping up the suspense and tension accordingly

What pissed me off was that they didn't disclose what WAS IN THE FRICKING BRIEFCASE!

Good point! The ending was so unmemorable I had completely forgotten about the case (which reminds me, I don't think we ever got to know what was in the case in Pulp Fiction either!)

Funnily enough Roger Ebert's review of Ronin joked that he thought the briefcase contained the briefcase from Pulp Fiction.

I love Ronin but I do agree the ending is flat.

In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin) is an object, device, or event that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself. The term was originated by Angus MacPhail for film, adopted by Alfred Hitchcock, and later extended to a similar device in fiction.. The MacGuffin technique is common in films, especially thrillers.

@strangebedfellows said:

In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin) is an object, device, or event that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself. The term was originated by Angus MacPhail for film, adopted by Alfred Hitchcock, and later extended to a similar device in fiction.. The MacGuffin technique is common in films, especially thrillers.

Yes, I know. But it still pissed me off!

LOL!!

The thing with Macguffins though is while they may be there solely to forward the plot and it may not actually be important what they are, very few films with Macguffins take it so far that by the end of the film the audience doesnt even know what it is and more importantly WHY the characters care about it.

Pulp Fictions Macguffin seems playful and self aware but Ronins seems a bit more lazy.

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