Discuss Magnum, P.I.

Now binging this show and I LOVE it! So 80's!

As a kid I never wanted to watch this for some reason? Maybe because as a kid I was more so into Different Strokes, Transformers, and other things a kid should be into and this show was too mature for a small kid to watch. Also I'd always see Magnum shirtless, with the mustache and assumed he was some douchey rich guy and that this show was aimed at the ladies or something?

Now that I'm an adult who's even technically middle aged, I can see how great this show really was. It's very nostalgic of the 80's and one of my favorite places to vacation in the world Hawaii!

I now know that Magnum was a pretty good decent guy, a hard worker, who like to help people and their many problems. Magnum was not rich, for we learn he drives someone else's Ferrari the whole time and the mansion that he lives in, is not his either but he's a moocher pretty much and he mooches all the time off of friends but he has the best closest friends in the world: TC, Rick and even sometimes Higgins comes through for him. Man Higgins used to piss me off and turn me off so fast with his over the top snobby British attitude, this always made me change the channel faster than Magnum's borrowed Ferrari when I was a kid in the 80's.

Some funny/interesting observations: 1) Magnum is a private investigator, but he has a gun and shoots the "bad guys" all the time with no repercussions at all. He has no license to shoot/kill but he does like 10 times a season lol. 2) Magnum has a smoking hot Vietnamese/French wife that he marries in Vietnam but shes busy being some sort of double agent spy for some reason instead of living her best life with him in Hawaii? (I'm only on season 2 sorry don't know how this ends up yet?) 3) TC and Rick seemed annoyed and fed up with Magnum always mooching off them and getting them into serious trouble and danger but bottom line no matter what they always show up an come through for Magnum in every single episode! Wow wish I had friends like that! 4) Robin Masters the ballin author is the actual owner of the mansion and the Ferrari, he made so much money that he has multiple mansions all over the world and doesn't even bother to come check on his Hawaii mansion at all and just lets Higgins and Magnum live there free of charge? Who today or in recent times would be this successful of an author to live this life? Someone like a JK Rowling?? In the 80's there was no tech ballers like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuck yet so maybe authors back then who really did well were balling that hard? 5) Higgins who is probably in his 40's or even early 50's is single and lives alone at the Robin mansion with Magnum. Yes he seems to take good care of the property as it seems like that is even his job but it just seems suspect that a man that age never got married, nor has any girlfriends etc? 6) Hawaii on the show like in real life is full of Asians and obviously locals, it's interesting to see how many of Hollywood legends of Asian descent had an episode or two on this show. I noticed the General from Vietnam who's now married to Magnum's wife was the Master Sensei in Beverly Hills Ninja! Love that guy RIP Soon Tek Oh! 7) I think another reason why I love this show is it goes from serious action drama to ridiculous comedy and back and forth all the time in the most 1980's manner. Mad hot chicks in bikinis, really bad fight choreography and stunts what more can a guy ask for? Also shows like this are great because each episode Magnum takes on a new client so the story line is completely different from episode to episode in that whatever the clients backstory is completely changes and gets Magnum and his boys in a new world of trouble and drama.

What are your thoughts on Magnum PI? Yes Im aware they made a remake in the last recent years but I have not watched that and probably won't watch it until I finish the OG version first. I'll keep updating this as I finish each season going forward.

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@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

Do you know if Robin Masters is still an author in the reboot? Do they even explain his wealth?



Robin Masters in this reboot was a journalist embedded with Thomas' special operations team in Iraq. The team provided him with stories that he published in a book series and he became a New York Times best-selling author. He rewarded Thomas by hiring him as a live-in security consultant to help with his income as a private eye. Thomas lives at the estate with former MI6 agent Juliet Higgins and Zeus and Apollo. Together they fight the evildoers in Hawaii.

Awww that makes more sense than the OG version. In the OG version Magnum pretty much gets to crash in the guest house and mooch of Robin just because he was able to break into the mansion as they explained very vaguely in the pilot. Thanks for explaining this for us all!



In the original version, Magnum was already hired by best-selling author Robin Masters and living there in a single room as an employee, but he had to pay rent if he wanted to stay at the luxury guesthouse. So he negotiated a deal with Masters. In exchange for living for free there, he would run a series of security checks. The first check was to try and steal the Ferrari. Caretaker Higgins didn't want him to have access to anything that he couldn't control, so he increased the security by installing an alarm system in the car overnight. Magnum outsmarted him and in the end, Magnum got what he wanted.



@rooprect said:

I gotta ask, did they do the obvious love-hate romance between Thomas and Higgins? Seems pretty cringeworthy if they did, but if they managed to avoid the obvious hookup that would be unexpected and cool.


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@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

@rooprect said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@rooprect said:

Haha funny points, yeah I guess Magnum was sorta like America's answer to James Bond. We wanted a classy hero but not too classy so they made him a slob/moocher. Same formula with Bruce Willis in Moonlighting. Or even Remington Steele, except he's a well dressed moocher.

As for the invisible millionaire patron, I guess Charlie's Angels should get credit for that idea, but it was a popular plot device in the 80s with shows like Knight Rider or even Hart to Hart (except in that show they themselves were the millionaries who solved crimes on the side 🤔). I suppose this all reflects the 80s American dream, the Reagan years with big ideas of living the millionaire life without necessarily working for it haha.

I don't remember much about this show, too young to get it, but I remember liking the comedy and the fact that Magnum seemed like an overall decent guy. Like you said, his smooth voice had a lot to do with his likeability. He wasn't a hardened Sam Spade kinda character, he was like your cool uncle.

Yeah I saw a documentary that Tom did not want Magnum to be a lazy copy of James Bond so they made him an all American couch surfing moocher faking it till he make it like the rest of the LA crowd lol. You are absolutely correct. Apparently the producers kept trying to make him suit up and wear a tuxedo and he kept saying no I'm going to be in shorts and shirtless the whole time this is Hawaii not Paris.

That's so cool that he insisted on the casual beach look, it really set the show apart. I've been to Hawaii once and didn't see a single tuxedo lol

Man those are all really good examples and its crazy to see how especially back then if you were a tv star you'd never be a movie star especially in the 80's and early 90's but Bruce Willis was like the only one to break that rule and go from tv star (Moonlighting) to huge action Movie Star. I'm not sure if anyone else was able to even come remotely close to make that successful transition? Not until many moons later like a George Clooney(ER to Movie stardom). Maybe you can argue JohnnyDepp(21 Jumpstreet) but he hated being on the show and sabotaged it to try to get off the show.

Great observation about how hard it was for 80s tv stars to cross over. I think it's a lot easier these days since the line is blurred between tv/netflix/movies. But yeah there weren't a whole lot who made the transistion back then. Unless you count the cast of SNL? That show was always a launch pad for comedy moviestars. But tv action stars were considered kinda cheesy I suppose (in all fairness, they kinda were).

Good point on the Regan moving on up years! You think that had an effect on Jeffersons, Different Strokes etc? Maybe even Cosby Show having a successful Dr. dad and Lawyer mom?? Wasn't the invisible guy in charge the same way with Get Smart? Or did we ever see the bad guys in that? KAOS? Like the big boss guy did we ever see him? Or am I mixing that up with Inspector Gadget the cartoon? LOL We only see the bad guys arms as he's sitting on his evil lair chair?

Oh man Get Smart, now we're getting before my time but it sounds like they were making fun of the 007 villain who was only shown petting a cat (Goldfinger?). Good call about Diffrent Strokes... yeah there's another one about a rich guy who takes in street kids. The 80s really had an obsession with millionaires huh? How about Silver Spoons, sorta like Diffrent Strokes but with a white kid and a smokin hot nanny.

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

Do you know if Robin Masters is still an author in the reboot? Do they even explain his wealth?



Robin Masters in this reboot was a journalist embedded with Thomas' special operations team in Iraq. The team provided him with stories that he published in a book series and he became a New York Times best-selling author. He rewarded Thomas by hiring him as a live-in security consultant to help with his income as a private eye. Thomas lives at the estate with former MI6 agent Juliet Higgens and Zeus and Apollo. Together they fight the evildoers in Hawaii.

I gotta ask, did they do the obvious love-hate romance between Thomas and Higgins? Seems pretty cringeworthy if they did, but if they managed to avoid the obvious hookup that would be unexpected and cool.

Oh thats a great point about SNL. SNL might be the one big exception with BIG stars: Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Chevy Chase, and of course later on Adam Sandler etc. becoming BIG movie stars. But I did hear that when you join SNL that Lorne Michaels pretty much owns you much like how the WWF/WWE owns the wrestlers who cross over into acting as well and always get a cut even if its a producers credit or something in everything they ever do. Loren Michaels must be crazy rich by now? Let's see Lorne Michaels net worth is: 500 million yup!

I heard Dan Aykroyd actually made a ton of money investing in everything from the House of Blues, to his Skull Vodka. Man I still need to try his Skull Vodka apparently it's supposed to be really good and high quality and expensive? Dan Aykroyd net worth is: 250 million to Bill Murrays: 180 million so I'd argue it's definitely his entrepreneurial investments as Bill Murray is arguably the much bigger Movie star. Just for reference Tom Selleck's net worth is: 45million being primarily a tv star and one of the biggest tv stars in all of tv history too. So yeah movies definitely seem to pay more based on this quick simple research.

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

This scene apparently went viral on social media as everyone laughed at it, but when you watch it it was meant to be played as very serious lol. It even made it to a recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver using it to talk about Hawaii and when he showed the clip everyone in the studio audience laughed their asses off lol. I was hoping to eventually get to it and was delighted when I did. But I'm worried/wondering how the rest of the series will go because all of these notorious scenes that everyone talks about happen towards the beginning of the show? I was told as the show goes on it gets more serious and darker towards the end? Do you recall that happening?

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

This scene apparently went viral on social media as everyone laughed at it, but when you watch it it was meant to be played as very serious lol. It even made it to a recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver using it to talk about Hawaii and when he showed the clip everyone in the studio audience laughed their asses off lol. I was hoping to eventually get to it and was delighted when I did. But I'm worried/wondering how the rest of the series will go because all of these notorious scenes that everyone talks about happen towards the beginning of the show? I was told as the show goes on it gets more serious and darker towards the end? Do you recall that happening?



Yes, there are more 'darker' episodes in later seasons. But that is to be expected with any show that lasts that long and has 158 episodes. Especially when Magnum's past - and that of Rick and TC - catches up. There are some serious episodes in the first seasons too, e.g. "Thicker Than Blood" and the very traumatic "Memories Are Forever". In season three something happens that will have a shocking impact on the viewer's opinion about Magnum's character. When it was first aired, there was quite some controversy dividing the fandom. And of course, there is also a meme. Overall I still rewatch most episodes and some even get better the more you watch.

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

This scene apparently went viral on social media as everyone laughed at it, but when you watch it it was meant to be played as very serious lol. It even made it to a recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver using it to talk about Hawaii and when he showed the clip everyone in the studio audience laughed their asses off lol. I was hoping to eventually get to it and was delighted when I did. But I'm worried/wondering how the rest of the series will go because all of these notorious scenes that everyone talks about happen towards the beginning of the show? I was told as the show goes on it gets more serious and darker towards the end? Do you recall that happening?



Yes, there are more 'darker' episodes in later seasons. But that is to be expected with any show that lasts that long and has 158 episodes. Especially when Magnum's past - and that of Rick and TC - catches up. There are some serious episodes in the first seasons too, e.g. "Thicker Than Blood" and the very traumatic "Memories Are Forever". In season three something happens that will have a shocking impact on the viewer's opinion about Magnum's character. When it was first aired, there was quite some controversy dividing the fandom. And of course, there is also a meme. Overall I still rewatch most episodes and some even get better the more you watch.

WAIT are you referring to when Magnum shoots Ivan??? That really caused controversy and divided the fandom? Really? I mean Ivan was a totally horrible person and he literally killed MACK 24 hours before. LOL a MEME? Can you share the Meme here with all of us please? LOL

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

This scene apparently went viral on social media as everyone laughed at it, but when you watch it it was meant to be played as very serious lol. It even made it to a recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver using it to talk about Hawaii and when he showed the clip everyone in the studio audience laughed their asses off lol. I was hoping to eventually get to it and was delighted when I did. But I'm worried/wondering how the rest of the series will go because all of these notorious scenes that everyone talks about happen towards the beginning of the show? I was told as the show goes on it gets more serious and darker towards the end? Do you recall that happening?



Yes, there are more 'darker' episodes in later seasons. But that is to be expected with any show that lasts that long and has 158 episodes. Especially when Magnum's past - and that of Rick and TC - catches up. There are some serious episodes in the first seasons too, e.g. "Thicker Than Blood" and the very traumatic "Memories Are Forever". In season three something happens that will have a shocking impact on the viewer's opinion about Magnum's character. When it was first aired, there was quite some controversy dividing the fandom. And of course, there is also a meme. Overall I still rewatch most episodes and some even get better the more you watch.

WAIT are you referring to when Magnum shoots Ivan??? That really caused controversy and divided the fandom? Really? I mean Ivan was a totally horrible person and he literally killed MACK 24 hours before. LOL a MEME? Can you share the Meme here with all of us please? LOL



The controversy was mainly about Magnum shooting an unarmed man. Then, that was something someone like Magnum didn't do and it wasn't shown on television or in movies. Times have changed since then, so if the adversary is evil enough, it is accepted and viewers will cheer and applaud this action. For example in "Miami Vice" and "Lethal Weapon".

The meme is in the quote "Did you see the sunrise this morning? (read the comments). Fans would say that sentence to each other and know what it means. There are even references to that in other shows. Here is an example in an animated one: "Did you see Regis this morning?".

There was also discussion about what happened to the body and how Magnum got away with it.

Colonel Buck Greene was another character that many would like to punch. He used people and sacrificed them whenever he deemed necessary. A lot of people, who Magnum cared for, got hurt this way. Mac didn't want to 'spy' on Magnum, but he had to follow orders and got killed by a bomb meant for Magnum.

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I just finished Season2episode 13 of the OG one and it was the infamous episode where Magnum shoots a nun off a ladder! LMAO!



This 'nun' committed a sin by breaking the third commandment of the Catholic Church. Magnum interpreted verse Romans 6:23 in a literal sense and dealt out punishment accordingly. wink

This scene apparently went viral on social media as everyone laughed at it, but when you watch it it was meant to be played as very serious lol. It even made it to a recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver using it to talk about Hawaii and when he showed the clip everyone in the studio audience laughed their asses off lol. I was hoping to eventually get to it and was delighted when I did. But I'm worried/wondering how the rest of the series will go because all of these notorious scenes that everyone talks about happen towards the beginning of the show? I was told as the show goes on it gets more serious and darker towards the end? Do you recall that happening?



Yes, there are more 'darker' episodes in later seasons. But that is to be expected with any show that lasts that long and has 158 episodes. Especially when Magnum's past - and that of Rick and TC - catches up. There are some serious episodes in the first seasons too, e.g. "Thicker Than Blood" and the very traumatic "Memories Are Forever". In season three something happens that will have a shocking impact on the viewer's opinion about Magnum's character. When it was first aired, there was quite some controversy dividing the fandom. And of course, there is also a meme. Overall I still rewatch most episodes and some even get better the more you watch.

WAIT are you referring to when Magnum shoots Ivan??? That really caused controversy and divided the fandom? Really? I mean Ivan was a totally horrible person and he literally killed MACK 24 hours before. LOL a MEME? Can you share the Meme here with all of us please? LOL



The controversy was mainly about Magnum shooting an unarmed man. Then, that was something someone like Magnum didn't do and it wasn't shown on television or in movies. Times have changed since then, so if the adversary is evil enough, it is accepted and viewers will cheer and applaud this action. For example in "Miami Vice" and "Lethal Weapon".

The meme is in the quote "Did you see the sunrise this morning? (read the comments). Fans would say that sentence to each other and know what it means. There are even references to that in other shows. Here is an example in an animated one: "Did you see Regis this morning?".

There was also discussion about what happened to the body and how Magnum got away with it.

Colonel Buck Greene was another character that many would like to punch. He used people and sacrificed them whenever he deemed necessary. A lot of people, who Magnum cared for, got hurt this way. Mac didn't want to 'spy' on Magnum, but he had to follow orders and got killed by a bomb meant for Magnum.

What is the actual significance of "Did you see the sunrise this morning?" Yes I know it's the title of the episode, but does it have any other actual deeper meaning? Or is it a metaphor for something else? I mean if Ivan did not see the sunrise due to sleeping in or being tied up in a meeting or phone call would it have mattered either way? Like if he said no would he have not been shot or vice versa? Sorry totally missing that unless theres nothing really else that just flew right over my head.

Thats crazy thats a meme tho? I'd love to come across it one day, now that I know what it means and have seen the actual episode.

I honestly don't have a problem at all with Magnum shooting an unarmed Ivan, Ivan's a really bad guy, a literal terrorist who came to the USA to Hunt down and kill USA navy. He tried to kill Magnum and blew up his car killing his good friend Mac. The Navy was even on a mission to assassinate him as well or at least apprehend and arrest him. So by all those hints it seems the Navy probably helped get rid of the body or at least cover up everything as they were going that route anyway.

COl. Buck seems super shady and backstabbing huh? Does he keep getting worse and finally catch karma or does he redeem himself later on? I'm also super confused as to where's Magnum's hot Vietnamese wife? Do we ever see her again later on? (without spoilers please)

@MrCharmingMan said:

What is the actual significance of "Did you see the sunrise this morning?" Yes I know it's the title of the episode, but does it have any other actual deeper meaning? Or is it a metaphor for something else? I mean if Ivan did not see the sunrise due to sleeping in or being tied up in a meeting or phone call would it have mattered either way? Like if he said no would he have not been shot or vice versa? Sorry totally missing that unless theres nothing really else that just flew right over my head.



A possible metaphor for 'sunrise' could be the general one. Sunrise signifies awakening and life. Each sunrise is a new day and each new day is a new opportunity to do what you love with your life. Magnum as a Vietnam vet and POW would cherish each sunrise as a beautiful sight and a promise of hope, still being alive and having a chance to escape.

The script is quite well-written, using the word 'sunrise' very effectively by repeating it throughout the episode.

Before Mac stepped behind the wheel of the Ferrari, his last words were: "Hey, what do you say we drive up to Pali Lookout and watch the sunrise? It oughta be beautiful."

He would never see a sunrise again.

Later, after Magnum left the hospital and he was walking on the beach, there was a voice-over with his thoughts: "It had been a typical sunrise in paradise. Beautiful. Breathtakingly beautiful. I wish Mac could be around to see it..."

At HQ, after Magnum realized what Ivan's plans were, he stood by the window, looking at the sunrise, remembering Mac's last words:

"What do you say we drive up to Pali Lookout and watch the sunrise?".

And he thought: "I wondered how long I'd keep counting sunrises. Maybe the rest of my life."

After he prevents the assassination, he sits in a car, watching the sunrise: "It was the third sunrise since Mac died and I was still counting."

At the end, Magnum confronts Ivan and asks: "Ivan. Did you see the sunrise this morning?"

Magnum remembered Mac's last words, before his death, and - reflecting on those words - asked a rhetorical question. Mac would never see the sunrise again. Ivan's answer wasn't important and not required or expected. Magnum had already decided what to do and would carry out his action.

Whatever answer Ivan gave, Magnum would have done the same. If you want to add to the dialogue with what Magnum could have said:

Ivan: "Yes. Why?"
Magnum: "Mac didn't."

Ivan: "No, Why?"
Magnum: "Mac didn't either."

Magnum didn't say anything. His action spoke louder than words and was a shocker for the viewers.

There was no internet and social media then with memes and things going viral. It was talked about a lot and everyone, who watched it then, will remember its effect on the show.


In shows and movies, there is often a sentence that is used for effect and if it is a question, it is rhetorical. If it is a good one, everyone will remember it and quote it. For example, "Do you feel lucky, punk?". Another one, less known, "Greatest quarterback ever. Elway or Manning?"



I honestly don't have a problem at all with Magnum shooting an unarmed Ivan, Ivan's a really bad guy, a literal terrorist who came to the USA to Hunt down and kill USA navy. He tried to kill Magnum and blew up his car killing his good friend Mac. The Navy was even on a mission to assassinate him as well or at least apprehend and arrest him. So by all those hints it seems the Navy probably helped get rid of the body or at least cover up everything as they were going that route anyway.


I don't think that Magnum would involve the Navy or any other government agency. They can't be trusted and there are too many leaks. Above all, they would then have something to hold over Magnum and anyone else - e.g. Rick, TC - who helped him. Buck would use it to 'blackmail' Magnum to do his bidding.

Magnum could take the body in Rick's yacht to the sea and feed it to the big fish that TC mentioned at the beginning of the episode when Magnum jumped out of the helicopter to go surf skiing. No one would miss Ivan immediately. He was a Russian KGB agent, who could be on another secret mission, and to evade detection he would be able to disappear and leave no traces of his whereabouts. Naval Intelligence would assume that he must have left Hawaii in some other way when he didn't appear at the airport. The chauffeur is a Russian lackey, who will keep silent, as his duty is to drive and not think.

One day Magnum will encounter someone worse than Ivan, and will then have to decide between serving the goals of his country, like Colonel Greene, or justice/revenge.



COl. Buck seems super shady and backstabbing huh? Does he keep getting worse and finally catch karma or does he redeem himself later on? I'm also super confused as to where's Magnum's hot Vietnamese wife? Do we ever see her again later on? (without spoilers please)


The actor Lance LeGault, who played Colonel Buck Greene, first appeared as a different character, Agent Newton, who works for Delta Section, a covert government organization, that specializes in sabotage, terrorism and assassination (episode S1E09 "Missing in Action").

Colonel Buck Greene is a military and anything he does, is in service of his country, to protect it against any perceived enemy. He doesn't change, but in the end, you might understand why 'collateral damage' is acceptable. In the episode "Memories Are Forever", Michelle and her husband worked for his intelligence service. When Michelle returns, Greene will be right behind. He told Magnum that he could guarantee her safety, and her life would always be in danger if she stayed with Magnum. Unfortunately, working for him is more like out of the frying pan and into the fire.

@wonder2wonder said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

What is the actual significance of "Did you see the sunrise this morning?" Yes I know it's the title of the episode, but does it have any other actual deeper meaning? Or is it a metaphor for something else? I mean if Ivan did not see the sunrise due to sleeping in or being tied up in a meeting or phone call would it have mattered either way? Like if he said no would he have not been shot or vice versa? Sorry totally missing that unless theres nothing really else that just flew right over my head.



A possible metaphor for 'sunrise' could be the general one. Sunrise signifies awakening and life. Each sunrise is a new day and each new day is a new opportunity to do what you love with your life. Magnum as a Vietnam vet and POW would cherish each sunrise as a beautiful sight and a promise of hope, still being alive and having a chance to escape.

The script is quite well-written, using the word 'sunrise' very effectively by repeating it throughout the episode.

Before Mac stepped behind the wheel of the Ferrari, his last words were: "Hey, what do you say we drive up to Pali Lookout and watch the sunrise? It oughta be beautiful."

He would never see a sunrise again.

Later, after Magnum left the hospital and he was walking on the beach, there was a voice-over with his thoughts: "It had been a typical sunrise in paradise. Beautiful. Breathtakingly beautiful. I wish Mac could be around to see it..."

At HQ, after Magnum realized what Ivan's plans were, he stood by the window, looking at the sunrise, remembering Mac's last words:

"What do you say we drive up to Pali Lookout and watch the sunrise?".

And he thought: "I wondered how long I'd keep counting sunrises. Maybe the rest of my life."

After he prevents the assassination, he sits in a car, watching the sunrise: "It was the third sunrise since Mac died and I was still counting."

At the end, Magnum confronts Ivan and asks: "Ivan. Did you see the sunrise this morning?"

Magnum remembered Mac's last words, before his death, and - reflecting on those words - asked a rhetorical question. Mac would never see the sunrise again. Ivan's answer wasn't important and not required or expected. Magnum had already decided what to do and would carry out his action.

Whatever answer Ivan gave, Magnum would have done the same. If you want to add to the dialogue with what Magnum could have said:

Ivan: "Yes. Why?"
Magnum: "Mac didn't."

Ivan: "No, Why?"
Magnum: "Mac didn't either."

Magnum didn't say anything. His action spoke louder than words and was a shocker for the viewers.

There was no internet and social media then with memes and things going viral. It was talked about a lot and everyone, who watched it then, will remember its effect on the show.


In shows and movies, there is often a sentence that is used for effect and if it is a question, it is rhetorical. If it is a good one, everyone will remember it and quote it. For example, "Do you feel lucky, punk?". Another one, less known, "Greatest quarterback ever. Elway or Manning?"



I honestly don't have a problem at all with Magnum shooting an unarmed Ivan, Ivan's a really bad guy, a literal terrorist who came to the USA to Hunt down and kill USA navy. He tried to kill Magnum and blew up his car killing his good friend Mac. The Navy was even on a mission to assassinate him as well or at least apprehend and arrest him. So by all those hints it seems the Navy probably helped get rid of the body or at least cover up everything as they were going that route anyway.


I don't think that Magnum would involve the Navy or any other government agency. They can't be trusted and there are too many leaks. Above all, they would then have something to hold over Magnum and anyone else - e.g. Rick, TC - who helped him. Buck would use it to 'blackmail' Magnum to do his bidding.

Magnum could take the body in Rick's yacht to the sea and feed it to the big fish that TC mentioned at the beginning of the episode when Magnum jumped out of the helicopter to go surf skiing. No one would miss Ivan immediately. He was a Russian KGB agent, who could be on another secret mission, and to evade detection he would be able to disappear and leave no traces of his whereabouts. Naval Intelligence would assume that he must have left Hawaii in some other way when he didn't appear at the airport. The chauffeur is a Russian lackey, who will keep silent, as his duty is to drive and not think.

One day Magnum will encounter someone worse than Ivan, and will then have to decide between serving the goals of his country, like Colonel Greene, or justice/revenge.



COl. Buck seems super shady and backstabbing huh? Does he keep getting worse and finally catch karma or does he redeem himself later on? I'm also super confused as to where's Magnum's hot Vietnamese wife? Do we ever see her again later on? (without spoilers please)


The actor Lance LeGault, who played Colonel Buck Greene, first appeared as a different character, Agent Newton, who works for Delta Section, a covert government organization, that specializes in sabotage, terrorism and assassination (episode S1E09 "Missing in Action").

Colonel Buck Greene is a military and anything he does, is in service of his country, to protect it against any perceived enemy. He doesn't change, but in the end, you might understand why 'collateral damage' is acceptable. In the episode "Memories Are Forever", Michelle and her husband worked for his intelligence service. When Michelle returns, Greene will be right behind. He told Magnum that he could guarantee her safety, and her life would always be in danger if she stayed with Magnum. Unfortunately, working for him is more like out of the frying pan and into the fire.

DAMN that was incredible! Was that all you or did you use AI???? Yes I totally recall Mac saying let's go see the sunrise right before getting blown to pieces, you are totally 100% spot on and genius!

At least Mac got to have that hot chick sit on his lap though before he died tho right? LOL

So does Magnum ever get to see/be with his Vietnamese wifey or not? Or does it spoil too much to answer that for me??? I'm talking after the Memories episode do we ever get to see her again later on in the show???

@MrCharmingMan said:

DAMN that was incredible! Was that all you or did you use AI???? Yes I totally recall Mac saying let's go see the sunrise right before getting blown to pieces, you are totally 100% spot on and genius!


No AI. It's still easier using my brain. I remembered the episode, because it made such an impression then, and I rewatched the two-parter episode today, to transcribe the dialogue.



So does Magnum ever get to see/be with his Vietnamese wifey or not? Or does it spoil too much to answer that for me??? I'm talking after the Memories episode do we ever get to see her again later on in the show???


Magnum sees Michelle again, but Greene is also there.

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