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Since this show is currently in Netflix (and will continue to be), I believe that the best way to list the episodes is to follow the Netflix Listing in this page: https://www.netflix.com/eg-en/title/80192098

Which is 2 Seasons, Season 1 with 13 Episodes 40-50 Minuets Each and Season 2 with 9 Episodes

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According to Wikipedia, this was an acquisition, and Netflix will release season 3 (and maybe more), So I believe the correct listing should default to Netflix's

@harryremon wrote:

Since this show is currently in Netflix (and will continue to be), I believe that the best way to list the episodes is to follow the Netflix Listing in this page: https://www.netflix.com/eg-en/title/80192098

Which is 2 Seasons, Season 1 with 13 Episodes 40-50 Minuets Each and Season 2 with 9 Episodes

According to Wikipedia, this was an acquisition, and Netflix will release season 3 (and maybe more), So I believe the correct listing should default to Netflix's

Thanks for your 3 reports! :slight_smile:

Did you, by any chance, read all the other older discussions and issue reports regarding this show here:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss

Especially these 4:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5ac8443b92514162a2036043
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5a8aa9ed0e0a26401108eabc
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5a29760f0e0a264cc410f1bd
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5a51e1850e0a26026001ae0a

I explained in those that TMDb will not follow the Netflix airing because it's not the first official airing of this show! The show officially aired first on Antena 3 in 2017 in 1 season with a summer break, until Netflix decided to edit/cut all the episodes and distribute them in 2 seasons. However, one of TMDb's major rules is: Add data from the first official release.

The major problem for TMDb regarding this show is: Netflix altered the episodes! "Altered" means they cut scenes, moved scenes, changed music, etc. to air 22 episodes (á 45 minutes) instead of Antena 3's 15 episodes (á 70 minutes). This change of episodes means we have to deal with multiple (2) versions of the same episodes, which will never be supported on TMDb (and on any other plattform, because you will get crazy thinking this through). That's why we added the text to the existing episode group:

"The rough order, including the season split, in which Netflix distributes the show for international viewers. Note: Netflix decided to edit the original 15 episodes of season 1 into 22 smaller episodes and split them into 2 seasons. Because we do not support multiple versions of the same episodes, it's impossible to display the correct order for Netflix here on TMDb."

We know this episode group is not correct because of these multiple versions of episodes -> but there's technical no way to get it perfect, I'm afraid! :worried:

I also know that Netflix announced to distribute a season 3 in 2019 for international viewers (as of my knowledge a few weeks ago). We will probably add this as season 2 here and maybe name it Season 3. Netflix's other big problem with this show is that they use the terms "season 2" and "part 2" like it's the same in different languages -> it's a nightmare for international users to get a clue what they mean. For example, you linked to the English Wikipedia article -> look at the Spanish one how they deal with this chaos:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_casa_de_papel#Episodios_y_audiencias

They display 2 seasons (temporada) and 3 parts (parte) in the first and second column -> and I favour this division also here for TMDb.

I'm going to clean up all your edits now. And, please, look for old discussion and issue reports in the future before you edit entries here on TMDb! :smiley_cat:

Thank you for your clarifications, I did take a look at the previous discussions before I did my edits and that's why I suggested this with a reference, and let me explain why I still think using Netflix's sorting here should be done.

A) The show is currently a Netflix Owned Show. So the continuation of the show will be in Netflix's sorting.

B) The Digital Releases of the show are in Netflix's sorting.

C) Any Media Library Software that depends on TheMovieDB API will totally mess up the library because of this (as the files are almost always in Netflix sorting and the data returning from the TheMovieDB are in the old Antenna 3 sorting) .

D) The Majority of this show's audience got introduced and watched the show on Netflix. after it became internationally popular, hence the majority actually care about the current sorting.

E) Season 3 will be called Season 2 in nowhere BUT TMDb ? creating more conflicts in software and confusion for the user.

it's easy to add a table of the Netflix's sorting on Wikipedia spain's page in addition to the table you're referencing. it's an article not a listing that APIs depend on or people go to for episode guides.

So why can't the default listing of the Episodes be the current ongoing Netflix sorting and we can create an Episode Group mentioning the obselete Antenna 3 sorting.

The above are some of the arguments for changing the sorting. the only option against is that one rule.

So, don't you think that all this mess could be avoided by just bypassing the rule. I'm not saying we should break any rules here, just that every rule has exceptions ... and I believe (and appearntly I'm not alone) that there are more than one reason this show should be excempeted from this one rule.