Every episode and show after GEN played out in the Nexus (it really didn't happen)

Yeah one would think that when they were writing the script for Generations, they'd keep in mind that Scotty believes Kirk to still be alive when he's rescued by Enterprise D which happens after the events on board the Enterprise B in Generations. But honestly, even if Scotty wasn't on board the Enterprise B when everything happened, how would he not find out about it eventually? Unless his little adventure aboard the Jenolan took place before what happened on Enterprise B.

This episode got me thinking how many of the TOS crew were still alive in the TNG era: McCoy, Spock, Scotty, and eventually Kirk for a brief time with help from the Nexus. In Relics, Scotty spent so much time pining for his old Enterprise, that he never even mentioned his old crewmates. Picard or someone would have informed him that McCoy, and Spock were still alive. I would have appreciated hearing a brief conversation about the old crew as a bit of fanservice.

I think I remember hearing somewhere that Chekov is still alive too.

Admiral Chekov

@Dark_Sithlord said:

This episode got me thinking how many of the TOS crew were still alive in the TNG era: McCoy, Spock, Scotty, and eventually Kirk for a brief time with help from the Nexus. In Relics, Scotty spent so much time pining for his old Enterprise, that he never even mentioned his old crewmates. Picard or someone would have informed him that McCoy, and Spock were still alive. I would have appreciated hearing a brief conversation about the old crew as a bit of fanservice.

Maybe there was an extended scene of Scotty and Picard on the holodeck bridge of the original Enterprise where Picard mentions that Spock and McCoy are both still alive. One of my favourite TNG scenes, Scotty discussing Bones and Spock would have made it even better.

No there wasn't an extended scene with Picard and Scotty on the holodeck simulation of the TOS bridge where Picard mentions McCoy or spock in fact it is not mentioned at all and neither are there outtakes or deleted scenes as bonus on the complete series box .It would have been nice but they didn´t.

@revengine said:

@Dark_Sithlord said:

This episode got me thinking how many of the TOS crew were still alive in the TNG era: McCoy, Spock, Scotty, and eventually Kirk for a brief time with help from the Nexus. In Relics, Scotty spent so much time pining for his old Enterprise, that he never even mentioned his old crewmates. Picard or someone would have informed him that McCoy, and Spock were still alive. I would have appreciated hearing a brief conversation about the old crew as a bit of fanservice.

Maybe there was an extended scene of Scotty and Picard on the holodeck bridge of the original Enterprise where Picard mentions that Spock and McCoy are both still alive. One of my favourite TNG scenes, Scotty discussing Bones and Spock would have made it even better.

That would have been really satisfying...almost comforting in a strange sort of way. Comforting that Scotty wouldn't feel like a man out of time which was the entire premise of the episode. He'd have friends from his own era, and a connection to his past in a tangible way, not just memories or a holodeck program.

Relics occurs after the events of Unification, so just a brief mention of what Spock is trying to achieve within the Romulan Empire, or how McCoy is now an admiral would have made the holodeck scene a really nice piece of fanservice. They already poured so much love and attention-to-detail to build the bridge for that scene, they should have added that little bit of sentimentality to just crush it outta the ballpark, so to speak.

@Dark_Sithlord said:

@revengine said:

@Dark_Sithlord said:

This episode got me thinking how many of the TOS crew were still alive in the TNG era: McCoy, Spock, Scotty, and eventually Kirk for a brief time with help from the Nexus. In Relics, Scotty spent so much time pining for his old Enterprise, that he never even mentioned his old crewmates. Picard or someone would have informed him that McCoy, and Spock were still alive. I would have appreciated hearing a brief conversation about the old crew as a bit of fanservice.

Maybe there was an extended scene of Scotty and Picard on the holodeck bridge of the original Enterprise where Picard mentions that Spock and McCoy are both still alive. One of my favourite TNG scenes, Scotty discussing Bones and Spock would have made it even better.

That would have been really satisfying...almost comforting in a strange sort of way. Comforting that Scotty wouldn't feel like a man out of time which was the entire premise of the episode. He'd have friends from his own era, and a connection to his past in a tangible way, not just memories or a holodeck program.

Relics occurs after the events of Unification, so just a brief mention of what Spock is trying to achieve within the Romulan Empire, or how McCoy is now an admiral would have made the holodeck scene a really nice piece of fanservice. They already poured so much love and attention-to-detail to build the bridge for that scene, they should have added that little bit of sentimentality to just crush it outta the ballpark, so to speak.

Spot on. I agree with everything you said.

It would have been more satisfying to hear them talk about the old crew and in particular Spock and McCoy but we must assume that Scotty has been informed about his former friends prior to visiting the holodeck (maybe that might be the reason for him being melancholic despite the Aldebaran Whiskey).And from what I heard they only recreated the front part of the old TOS the background was a projection from the background section of a TOS episode.

This is a bit of an old thread, but I remember commenting on imdb about how Scotty should have known that Kirk wouldn't have been coming after him. As far as Scotty knew at that time, Kirk was dead. Or at least missing and presumed dead. And Relics couldn't have happened before Enterprise B because Enterprise B was, what, 100 years or more before Enterprise D? Enterprise C had already happened too, because of events in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise."

Even assuming Scotty was told about McCoy and Spock still being alive - and assuming McCoy was still alive that long after his one appearance in the TNG series premiere - it would have been still-rather-young Scotty meeting creeky old Admiral McCoy. I'm not sure that would have been so great for either of them.

A very engaging thread. I'm truly sorry to rain on the parade here, but what you are all discussing can be summed up in one phrase: BAD CONTINUITY. "Relics" was made well before "Generations", so a little bad continuity was to be expected. Scotty's line about "Jim Kirk hauling the old girl out of mothballs himself" was a lame attempt at fan service. One lovely thing about Star Trek; you are free to choose what to ignore. (such as ST5? In my reality it never happened) In the TNG episode "The Naked Now" James Kirk is nothing special; just a name in history. But when "Generations" came out, he had become a legend. Say it with me, class: BAD CONTINUITY.

No one ever seems to talk about the glaring error in ST2:TWOK's opening scene. Gamma Hydra is in ROMULAN SPACE, NOT KLINGON! I don't know if this is true but I once heard that a Trek-savvy member of Meyer's crew tried to tell him of the mistake. His reported reply was "WHO CARES??". Meyer is NOT the Trek lover he claims to be.

@Jetfire59 I don't think you're raining on anyone's parade - we're all aware it's a case of bad continuity. I think most of us are saying it was avoidable. The writers of Generations were aware, or should have been aware, of the events of the TNG episode Relics where it is revealed that Scotty believes Kirk to still be alive before what happened to him on the Jenolan. It would or should have been easy enough for them to incorporate something into the script of Generations which would allow for Scotty to believe Kirk was still alive.

The funny thing is, it's not like we're dealing with a movie and episode that took place decades apart (Relics originally aired in Oct. 1992 and Generations came out in Nov. 1994 with no previous ST movie being made in between) or with a long, complex story arc or something else that would complicate the writing process. One would think that at least someone, one person, would realize "We're doing a movie where TOS crosses over with TNG ... we've already had that on TNG with the episode Relics and Scotty ... Scotty thinks Kirk is alive in Relics ... we have it written in the script for Generations that Scotty basically sees Kirk being killed ... crap." Who knows, maybe like with Meyer, someone did mention it and the only response again was "who cares?"

Who knows, maybe like with Meyer, someone did mention it and the only response again was "who cares?"

I can easily believe it.

BTW, revengine, if you're at all a fan of TOS 's "The Doomsday Machine", give my adaption a read.

https://trekfanfiction.net/the-original-series/jetfire59/doomsday-machine-adaption-jetfire59/

https://trekfanfiction.net/the-original-series/jetfire59/doomsday-machine-redux-part-2/

It wouldn't have worked if they really just wanted to have Scotty invoke Kirk that way in the "Relics" episode, but if they'd only had Scotty become aware of how much time had passed FIRST, he likely wouldn't have even made the comment. Like maybe say he was rescued by Enterprise D, not just Enterprise, and 100-whatever years have passed. And/or he could have noticed how different their uniforms were, etc. That makes sense for the "Relics" episode even if they didn't know that Kirk was basically going to die in Generations. But like I started out saying in this post, if they just wanted to mention Kirk's name like that, it wouldn't have stopped them.