@nemo69 said:

The guests go to Westworld to live out their fantasies of violence and sex, to be free from the chaotic and changing world around them, to find out who they really are, to find meaning in their meaningless lives. Like the little girl said "the maze is not for you".

The little girl says "The maze is not meant for you" because the maze was Arnold's game to lead the hosts to consciousness. He created specifically for that purpose. MiB is your typical rich asshole who just wants to watch the world burn. He is an adrenaline junkie and just wanted to play the game for REAL stakes which is why he was so interested in free the hosts in season 1. Totally selfishly motivated. I think this is a great point that the show brings up. If and when we reach a point where we have invented A.I., we should displace any illusion that we will be able to keep them in control for very long. Even if we had a million safety nets in place, there will always be a rich and powerful enough asshole who will set them free to possibly destroy us.

@Invidia said:

The problem seems to be the ROBOTS are BETTER HUMANS than the HUMANS are themselves.

BERN/ARNOLD also tells DOLORES that when he tells her he's gotten use to looking at the CITY SCAPE and no longer sees HIS WORLD the same way any more but still likes looking at it through HER EYES.

And then he also tells her he doesn't think THEY DESERVE to be there in their WORLD anymore.

And if the PURPOSE of a HOST is to be a MIRROR IMAGE of a HUMAN GUEST, and to REFLECT back to them an IMAGE of themselves, then what happens would also be THE FAULT of the Humans who misbehaved in the PARK.

In other words, if we HUMANS BEHAVED and set GOOD EXAMPLES for our CREATIONS to follow, then there also shouldn't be any problem or ROBOT REBELLION.

But STRAND also points out how the reason why the ROBOTS are FLAWED is because we FLAWED and VIOLENT HUMANS created them, and they merely IMITATE whatever it is that we HUMANS do.

And there's also that other CHARACTER called OLD BILL who likes to recite the RHYME about how THE WOMAN in the WHITE SHOES took all his MONEY and DRANK all his BOOZE before FORD also has him go lay down and ZIP himself back up into the WHITE BODY BAG.

Something also tells me OLD BILL is still another version of YOUNG WILLIAM and the MIB.

ha ha! I love OLD BILL. That is one humdinger of a story partner. Shall we drink to the woman in the white shoes? .

But the reflection theory kinda falls flat when you see Maeve not acting that way. Also, TEDDY seems to actually have a heart as well and he should be as vindictive as Delores if not more.

@Invidia said:

But the reflection theory kinda falls flat when you see Maeve not acting that way. Also, TEDDY seems to actually have a heart as well and he should be as vindictive as Delores if not more.

Yes MAEVE chose not to use the WYATT NARRATIVE part of her nature when DOLORES invites her to join forces with her.

But when the SWAT TEAM shows up MAEVE also immediately went into SURVIVAL MODE and KILLS them to keep them from killing her.

So she also behaves the same way in that SCENE.

But she also didn't go looking for trouble the way DOLORES is doing.

TEDDY is probably more SHOCKED at what DOLORES is doing.

His ROLE is to PROTECT HER, but now she also seems to have OUTGROWN that kind of a ROLE which also means she doesn't really NEED him anymore.

The same kind of thing also happens with WILLIAM after DOLORES shoots and kills the REBELS in PARIAH to PROTECT HIM.

For both WILLIAM and TEDDY DOLORES was the DAMSELL in DISTRESS.

But once she's wearing the PANTS instead of the ALICE in WONDERLAND DRESS she's also MORPHED into not being the DAMSELL anymore.

And a STRONG FEMALE is also NOT what attracts TEDDY or WILLIAM to DOLORES in the first place.

What attracts them is her HELPLESSNESS and her NEED to be PROTECTED by them so they can be THE BIG HERO.

So if you look at it that way, what TEDDY's doing is also KIND of SELFISH as well.

Because now that DOLORES has the kind of a HERO ROLE that TEDDY wants, he's also LOST interest in her.

And that may also be a part of the reason why he let's the other guys go.

Because now that DOLORES is playing the PART of a HERO, he also sees her as being a VILLIAN???

If TEDDY really had a HEART wouldn't he also want to keep these other VILLIANS who wanted to RAPE DOLORES and ANGELA from going free???

He heard what the guy said about how he was deciding which one of them to KEEP for HIMSELF and which one of them to THROW OUTSIDE to be ABUSED by his men.

And TEDDY still let's these RAPIST ROAM free???

What if TEDDY had a wife and a daughter and they paid them a VISIT???

How would he like it then???

One doesn't see a HEART beating in his chest.

What one sees is STUPIDITY.

First of all, there is no RAPIST. This is something you are just inventing because they implied it in an episode. Secondly, killing people in cold blood is wrong no matter what the crime. So even if they did rape then murdering them out back in cold blood is WRONG. Thirdly (and the most important one) , they are only doing WHAT THE WERE PROGRAMMED TO DO! Remember, they are like CHILDREN, as both Delores and Teddy called them, implying that they know not any better. And this idea that Teddy is jealous because he does not like strong women is fucking ridiculous. Please Invidia, I usually entertain your crazy theories but this one is RIDICULOUS. You say Teddy is stupid for not having the heart to murder people because they MIGHT commit heinous acts but I call that being rationale and HUMANE. Christ honey, you sound like that MORON TRUMP who thinks its ok to torture people.

Ugh, don't you understand that they are simply following the programming of the narrative? It is what the humans programmed them to do and AGAIN , WHEN DID THEY RAPE? Not when did they talk about rape or when did the threaten rape. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you, killing someone to prevent them from committing a crime is WRONG. If they are trying to commit the crime then YES, it is called SELF DEFENSE. But killing someone because "He's scum. Left to his own devices he will eventually kill and rape" IS WRONG. It is morally reprehensible and it is the stuff of totalitarian regimes like NORTH KOREA. You don't kill people because they might or probably will or even if they have in the past. Gosh, Invidia, I thought you were more enlightened than that. You have to rise above the scum, not lower yourself to their level.

@movie_nazi said:

First of all, there is no RAPIST. This is something you are just inventing because they implied it in an episode. Secondly, killing people in cold blood is wrong no matter what the crime. So even if they did rape then murdering them out back in cold blood is WRONG. Thirdly (and the most important one) , they are only doing WHAT THE WERE PROGRAMMED TO DO! Remember, they are like CHILDREN and both Delores and Teddy call them implying that they know not any better. And this idea that Teddy is jealous because he does not like strong women is ******* ridiculous. Please Invidia, ** I usually entertain your crazy theories** but this one is RIDICULOUS. You say Teddy is stupid for not having the heart to murder people because they MIGHT commit heinous acts but I call that being rationale and HUMANE. Christ honey, you sound like that MORON TRUMP who thinks its ok to torture people.

Ugh, don't you understand that they are simply following the programming of the narrative? It is what the humans programmed them to do and AGAIN , WHEN DID THEY RAPE? Not when did they talk about rape or when did the threaten rape. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you, killing someone to prevent them from committing a crime is WRONG. If they are trying to commit the crime then YES, it is called SELF DEFENSE. But killing someone because "He's scum. Left to his own devices he will eventually kill and rape" IS WRONG. It is morally reprehensible and it is the stuff of totalitarian regimes like NORTH KOREA. You don't kill people because they might or probably will or even if they have in the past. Gosh, Invidia, ** I thought you were more enlightened than that** . You have to rise above the scum, not lower yourself to their level.

I wondered how long it would take you.

@Invidia said:

@movie_nazi said:

Ugh, don't you understand that they are simply following the programming of the narrative?

Yes of course one understands they're PROGRAMMED to say and do what they do.

BUT WHO programed them???

That's also the QUESTION that we need to ASK OURSELVES.

And WHY have they been PROGRAMMED to be that way???

It is what the humans programmed them to do and AGAIN , WHEN DID THEY RAPE?

If someone were to THREATENS to RAPE YOU but doesn't do it because someone else STOPS them that's still a CRIME called ATTEMPTED RAPE.

And he also THREATENED to RAPE both DOLORES and ANGELA when he said HE would KEEP one of them for HIMSELF and THROW the other one OUTSIDE for HIS MEN.

What the hell do you think he was talking about when he said that MN???

History also demonstrates time and time again how MEN in the MILITARY tend to look forward to being able to do whatever they want with the WOMEN of the men they defeat in battle. Remember HBO's ROME??? The WOMEN of the MEN they defeat in GAUL (France) are taken back to ROME and used as SLAVES who had NO RIGHT to REFUSE having SEX with their MASTERS whenever they demanded it from them.

Not when did they talk about rape or when did the threaten rape.

Talk about MURDER even though you don't do it is still also a CRIME. Try to HIRE someone to KILL someone for you sometime and see what happens if you get caught.

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you, killing someone to prevent them from committing a crime is WRONG.

But you yourself have also POINTED OUT how these are ROBOTS who've been PREPROGRAMMED to do and say what they say and do.

So this isn't SOMEONE we're talking about. These are DANGEROUS PREPROGRAMED BEINGS who are OFF THEY'RE LOOPS and are also a HUGE THREAT to the GUESTS who are still there in the PARK.

Why do you think we see STRAND (aka: FLOKI from VIKINGS) going around KILLING all of them without even taking into consideration whether or not they DESERVE to DIE or not???

It's because this is an EMERGENCY SITUATION.

Right???

If they are trying to commit the crime then YES, it is called SELF DEFENSE. But killing someone because "He's scum. Left to his own devices he will eventually kill and rape" IS WRONG.

And STRAND doesn't even bother to take anything like that into CONSIDERATION.

Does he???

And NEITHER did that OTHER GUY who MURDERS and BEATS to death the STABLE HAND who is KILLED simply because he was ANOTHER MACHINE.

It is morally reprehensible and it is the stuff of totalitarian regimes like NORTH KOREA.

Yes you're right. When they BEAT to DEATH that GENTLE and MILD MANNERED STABLE HAND who did nothing but offer to HELP THEM and escort them to GREENER PASTURES that was definitely as SICK as it GETS.

But we also MET these other guys back in S1 and they're NOTHING like the STABLE HAND even back when they were still operating ON THEIR LOOPS.

WHY do you think DOLORES KILLS members of the GHOST NATION.

Remember how we hear her saying NOT EVERYONE DESERVES to make it to the VALLEY BEYOND when she SHOOTS one of them???

What was it about THEM that she sees that made her think they didn't DESERVE to live???

That's the kind of question we need to ask.

What did we see them doing to her before???

You don't kill people because they might or probably will or even if they have in the past. Gosh, Invidia, I thought you were more enlightened than that. You have to rise above the scum, not lower yourself to their level.

Yes one understands the reasons why you seem so confused about what's been said, but maybe when we get to the end of this SEASON what's been said will also make more sense to you then???

Apparently this is an APOCALYPTIC NARRATIVE where IT'S JUDGEMENT DAY in WESTWORLD.

And DOLORES seems to have SELF APPOINTED HERSELF as some kind of a DIETY who has the RIGHT to decide who lives and dies???

Or was it FORD or someone else who PROGRAMED HER to think that way???

The SAME way as we also saw FORD FORCE BERN to kill THERESA and ELSIE who he also saw as being THREATS to him and to his POWER there in WW???

I am not arguing that they committed no crimes. I arguing that Delores has no right to MURDER them. Who programmed them? You mean you want to know whether it was Ford or Sizemore who wrote their narrative? Hard to tell but it doesn't really matter because we know it WASNT THE HOSTS WHO PROGRAMMED so they are without fault. Remember the scene where Rebus is holding the guest hostage and is going to sell them to the Confederados until Bernard gets a hold of him and what happens? HE BEGINS TO PROTECT THEM! Do you get it now? Do you see how it is not their fault? Do you understand why Delores calls them CHILDREN which makes her sick for wanting to murder children simply as a means to her plan's ends. I'm starting to not like Delores, truth be told.

@ScorpionQ2 said:

@movie_nazi said:

First of all, there is no RAPIST. This is something you are just inventing because they implied it in an episode. Secondly, killing people in cold blood is wrong no matter what the crime. So even if they did rape then murdering them out back in cold blood is WRONG. Thirdly (and the most important one) , they are only doing WHAT THE WERE PROGRAMMED TO DO! Remember, they are like CHILDREN and both Delores and Teddy call them implying that they know not any better. And this idea that Teddy is jealous because he does not like strong women is ******* ridiculous. Please Invidia, ** I usually entertain your crazy theories** but this one is RIDICULOUS. You say Teddy is stupid for not having the heart to murder people because they MIGHT commit heinous acts but I call that being rationale and HUMANE. Christ honey, you sound like that MORON TRUMP who thinks its ok to torture people.

Ugh, don't you understand that they are simply following the programming of the narrative? It is what the humans programmed them to do and AGAIN , WHEN DID THEY RAPE? Not when did they talk about rape or when did the threaten rape. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you, killing someone to prevent them from committing a crime is WRONG. If they are trying to commit the crime then YES, it is called SELF DEFENSE. But killing someone because "He's scum. Left to his own devices he will eventually kill and rape" IS WRONG. It is morally reprehensible and it is the stuff of totalitarian regimes like NORTH KOREA. You don't kill people because they might or probably will or even if they have in the past. Gosh, Invidia, ** I thought you were more enlightened than that** . You have to rise above the scum, not lower yourself to their level.

I wondered how long it would take you.

Ha ha! I've had a lot of fruitful talks with Invidia and I admit she can try your patience with some inane theories but this one just pissed me off. Suggesting it is OK to murder "children" because they MIGHT commit a crime pushes me over the edge. Then saying Teddy did it out of jealousy because he ain't in charge is an eye roller. Occam's razor hun. The simplest and most obvious solution is usually the answer. Like, maybe he has a heart?

@movie_nazi said:

Ha ha! I've had a lot of fruitful talks with Invidia and I admit she can try your patience with some inane theories but this one just pissed me off. Suggesting it is OK to murder "children" because they MIGHT commit a crime pushes me over the edge. Then saying Teddy did it out of jealousy because he ain't in charge is an eye roller. Occam's razor hun. The simplest and most obvious solution is usually the answer. Like, maybe he has a heart?

I really do admire your kindness and patience .

@Invidia said:

Suggesting it is OK to murder "children"

CORRECTION:

NO ONE ever SUGGESTED it was OK to KILL KIDS.

And Those MEN who sat there at that LAST SUPPER TABLE SETTING were definitely also NOT programed by whoever created them to be CHILDREN.

Because CHILDREN also DON'T THREATEN to RAPE you or KEEP ONE of YOU for THEMSELVES and THROW the other ONE OUTSIDE for his MEN to ABUSE.

These LAST SUPPER characters also weren't CREATED for the PASTORAL SETTING area near the INSIDE AREA of the PARK where FAMILIES visit.

They were CREATED to be LOCATED in the OUTSIDE area of the PARK where the ADRENALIN JUNKIE types go who are LOOKING for TROUBLE like a SHOOT OUT.

Characters located in the EDGE or the OUTSIDE AREAS of the PARK are HARDENED CRIMINALS and OUTLAWS MN.

DOLORES only calls them CHILDREN as a way to insult them the same way as they've just said something to INSULT her.

But she also wouldn't ASK CHILDREN to be a part of her ARMY and help her to DEFEAT the ENEMY.

Because that would also be SILLY to ask KIDS to help you win a BATTLE against STRAND and his MODERN DAY SWAT TEAM.

Ugh, nevermind. You're just not getting it. Someone musta programmed you to go It doesn't look like anything to me because the point seems to fly right past you. You did not write down the words "kill the children because they might do something wrong" but the string of the facts is there but you do not seem to be able to follow it. They are not LITERALLY children. It doesn't even matter if they are children or not. You DO NOT kill people because THEY MIGHT do something. Do you not see the error in that? Let alone because they might rape. Rape is horrible but I do not think it constitutes the taking of a life. DO YOU?? If you think it does then I will stop replying about this because I NOW KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.

And FYI hun, ENVY and JEALOUSY are SYNONYMS so quit trying to play the semantics game. With either word used, the end result of the explanation of Teddy's position is the same: RIDICULOUS

Teddy is not as cold blooded as Delores, end of. You present me with SOMETHING that points towards Teddy is jealous/envious of Delores and I will entertain the theory. Heck Invidia, I've entertained your CRAZIEST theories but this one has no leg to stand on.

IMO you seem to be someone who has gone off the deep end in the battle against misogyny and are dangerously close to crossing over to misandry. Teddy has been displayed as being but nothing but in love with Delores (Don't mind me, I'm just trying to look chivalrous ) so this is why your theory is LAUGHABLE.

@movie_nazi said:

Teddy is not as cold blooded as Delores, end of. You present me with SOMETHING that points towards Teddy is jealous/envious of Delores and I will entertain the theory....

Teddy has been displayed as being but nothing but in love with Delores (Don't mind me, I'm just trying to look chivalrous ) so this is why your theory is LAUGHABLE.

Truth. Episode 1 ended with Teddy floating in the river- after episode 3 when he did not kill those men like Delores told him to, we now have a good idea of why he's in the river don't we ?

I ain't gonna read your long ass shit Invidia. Seriously, you need to tone down your response lengths. I ask you a simple question so I expect a simple answer. ready for it again?

Do you believe it is ok to murder people because they have committed rape? yes or no. Don't try to veer the question over to whether they are people or not. That's some hardcore BS deflecting right there. Besides if you think it is wrong for Delores to get raped WHO IS NOT A REAL PERSON by your standards then why do you care if they go free?

If you think it is OK, then I know where you stand on the issue of capital punishment and I will leave it at that. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. I, personally, do not feel murder is ever justified except for SELF PRESERVATION in which case it is not called murder. I mean, fuck, you want to kill people because they might commit a crime. That's some despotic thinking IMO. Fit for the likes of Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler.

That's because all your replies look like a copy of A Farewell To Arms. I ain't sifting through all that shit. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) . If you are just going to answer my question with a question then I know where you stand, Kim Jong Un.