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Previously on another topic I mentioned how it was a MIRACLE the CREWS didn't have PTSD due to all of the crap that they go through. So a search was done to see if one could find anything regarding this ISSUE, and this is what one found about MILES O'BRIEN or the CHIEF being the one who has the WORSE case of it:

https://www.quora.com/With-Star-Trek-characters-lives-being-threatened-in-every-episode-why-dont-they-all-have-post-traumatic-stress-and-be-prone-to-psychological-difficulties

If there was any Character on Star Trek that suffered from PTSD or at least hinted at having Psychological difficulties it is Chief O’Brien.

The writers intentionally wrote episodes where “O’Brien Must Suffer” its kind of a meme now .

In the episode The Wounded, from Star Trek The Next Generation, Chief Miles O'Brien talks to a Cardassian about why he seems to hate them. What he describes is a classic, tragic root of PTSD becoming a killer

The Chief was a veteran of the Federation Cardassian War . He served on Setlik III and killed for the fist time when a refugee threw him a phaser as Cardassian soldiers were breaking down the door. Turns out it was set to full and the guy just disintegrated. It's obviously something that bothered the hell out of him for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=116&v=Owyj_5TuHQw&feature=emb_logo

Star Trek TNG - O'Brien's PTSD

"It's not you I hate, Cardassian; I hate what I became because of you"

Those are some of the most powerful words ever spoken on Star Trek .

Even among the huge range of experiences of Starfleet characters, O’Brien’s resume is unique – as evidenced by the “O’Brien Must Suffer” trope of Star Trek. He has experienced a significant amount of combat (we are told he has 200-ish combat incidents and has written, I believe, 11 farewell letters to his family on the eve of dangerous missions). It’s worth noting here that, compared to O’Brien, Worf is a green recruit, a holodeck warrior and a somewhat of a wannabe. I always thought it was unfortunate that O’Brien was not better recognised as the real fighter on DS9.

To expand on the “O’Brien Must Suffer” theme: Just in DS9: He’s been kidnapped and put on trial by Cardassians, served a complete 20 year prison term in near-solitary confinement, came close to attempting suicide, has a lot of stress in his marriage, 2 children to worry about, had his in-utero fetus transferred from his wife to another woman in an accident, has had his wife taken over by evil aliens, has been in several battles… and the list goes on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm4W0-_IQOU&feature=emb_logo

Star Trek : O'Brien wants to commit suicide

It’s implausible that O’Brien could not have some sort of mental health challenges after all of that. I find it very plausible that his dedication to engineering, and especially his almost loving dedication to the station and the even the station’s computer, are probably important coping mechanisms which provide him value, self-worth, routine, intellectual challenge and meaning. That he is one of the few characters in all of Star Trek to sustain a marriage and raise his children suggests that he is successful at managing his history, stress and the demands of a Starfleet career.

When he suffered from PTSD after his prison term, work was all he wanted to focus on, to the extent that he avoided therapy and become suicidal. He’s given medication by Bashir to help treat him, and commits to regular therapy – I suspect therapy and medication remain a part of his life, although they are never mentioned.

I’d also point out that O’Brien is the only character I can think of who is regularly shown drinking alcohol (or synth, whatever) both at home, in Ten Forward and at Quark’s. A lot of the “O’Brien at home” scenes show him with a beer, which always caught my eye because it’s so rare to see** a Starfleet person explicitly drinking alone or drinking in their quarters. There’s also an episode where Bashir and O’Brien get drunk off of O’Brien’s personal stock of real alcohol. I can’t immediately think of another scene where Starfleet officers get drunk, but they must be rare. My point is that O’Brien also uses alcohol or synthehol to cope/destress, probably as part of his routine, as part of socialisation and (if real alcohol) to calm himself, and that he consumes alcohol/synth more often than normal in Starfleet.

I think showing O’Brien off duty with a beer in his hand is also part of the “Irish Working Man” trope that O’Brien is built around: he’s a good natured blue collar guy, does good honest work with his hands, has a wife and multiple kids he adores, works hard for them and he likes a beer at the end of the day, preferably at the local pub. He’d fit right in at that Irish holodeck village on Voyager.

Sigmund Freud is claimed to have said that the Irish were the only race impervious to psychoanalysis.

The Chief is Irish, misery suits us. Just kidding, but he seems to have a fairly grounded pathology, only once, in hard time, did he actually crack, and seemingly he recovered quickly. The Chief is thoughtful, decent, and accepting of the horrors he's lived through in life. The only things he can't deal well with are the times when his own ethical frame was compromised. Anything else he can shrug off, but that's his psychological red line, his breaking point. I think that says a lot about the man.

One of my favourite moments though is his rendition of "The Minstrel Boy" with Captain Maxwell when he goes rogue. It's kind of emotionally crushing when you take all of the back story in to account.

O'Brien was probably the most "hue mon" Character on the show the fact they made him suffer made him all the more relatable.

princess_tone1

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Therapy and lot of alcohol

Don't forget about the way he and JULIAN also spend lots of time in the HANDBALL COURT and inside of the HOLODECK, or about how they also spend lots of TIME building that ALAMO FORT.

And then MILES also gets UPSET when his DAUGHTER wants to PLAY with his TOYS, even though she also lets him play with her toys???

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princess_tone1

What is your point ? O'Brien and Bashir are gay lovers? I don't think he was upset about her playing with his toys but he used The Alamo Fort model to plan strategies to turn the defeat into a victory which he then would play out on the holodeck.His daughter playing with it would change everything he metticulously set up.

He told the child, "It's not a toy, it's a MODEL."

Now it sound like Monty Python's The Holy Grail

@Nexus71 said:

What is your point ? O'Brien and Bashir are gay lovers?

How on Earth did you make the LEAP from them being FRIENDS who play in the HOLODECK and other games over to Miles is GAY??? Friends do spend time with one another doing things you know without them being GAY!!!

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I don't think he was upset about her playing with his toys but he used The Alamo Fort model to plan strategies to turn the defeat into a victory which he then would play out on the holodeck.His daughter playing with it would change everything he metticulously set up.

Yes I know why he didn't want her to touch and MESS up his MODEL, but to the LITTLE GIRL it would LOOK like her father was being SELFISH for not letting her play with his TOYS when he plays with her toys.

You have NO CLUE at all do you about what it's like being a KID??? One also wonders if you can remember having been one !!!

princess_tone1

No I never was a kid in fact I was assembled from body parts of several dead marines. 😁😁😁

Ok. So maybe we should call you FRAKEN NEX from now on???

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Anyhow these things were also a FORM of THERAPY for MILES (in addition to his DRINKING BOOZE):

Don't forget about the way he and JULIAN also spend lots of time in the HANDBALL COURT and inside of the HOLODECK, or about how they also spend lots of TIME building that ALAMO FORT.

Because PLAYTIME can also be just as THERAPUDIC (or even more so) for someone as DRINKING the BOOZE (which can also cause lots of other PROBLEMS in addition to the other ones that someone already is dealing with)!!!

princess_tone1

Yeah but it was already established that O'Brien had issues because of his experience and that he went to therapy .He and Julian spend a lot of time together prior to that that experience so that seems hardly connected.

The reason Miles and Julian spend so much time together was because his WIFE and child were living away from the station for awhile, and that's the reason why he begins spending more time with the DOCTOR (who then points out how many more games of HANDBALL they'd played than they had before she leaves).

So Julian becomes a SURROGATE for MILES, just like Kira became one when she carries their son for them when she gave birth to him and MILES also begins treating her as if she were his wife by giving her foot and back massages, etc.

So both JULIAN and KIRA were also a form of THERAPY in the sense that they become SUBSTITUTE FAMILY members for them for a while.

Because JULIAN was also spending the time with Miles as a way to make up for the LACK of his wife being there and his not being able to spend time with her anymore.

It's like if you were still a child and the kid next door who you usually play with goes away to summer camp, and then you'd start playing with the other kid who lives across the street while the other one is away because you miss playing with the one who lives next door.

princess_tone1

Aren't we rehashing things here we already said and know?

If that's what we're doing then it would also be YOUR FAULT due to the way you said this:

it was already established that O'Brien had issues because of his experience and that he went to therapy .He and Julian spend a lot of time together prior to that that experience so that seems hardly connected.

And implied that there was NO CONNECTION to his spending MORE TIME with JULIAN to his being in NEED of some therapy.

But PLAY TIME is THERAPY (even when it's not considered to be so). Because ALL WORK and NO PLAY makes JACK a DULL BOY (as they like to say over here on the other side of the BIG POND).

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" is a proverb. It means that without time off from work, a person becomes both bored and boring. The exact origins of the phrase remain unclear, though it was recorded as early as 1659. Wikipedia · Text under CC-BY-SA license

Do you also have that kind of a saying over there on the other side of it???

And that kind of an idea also goes all the way back to the ANCIENT GREEKS who had APOLLO (the GOD of ORDER who was ANTI PLAYTIME) vs DIONYSIS (the God of DISORDER who was PRO PLAY TIME).

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ALL+WORK+and+NO+PLAY+makes+JACK+a+DULL+BOY&docid=608024264768884585&mid=2BDB149F03B376DD587E2BDB149F03B376DD587E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

THE SHINING (1980) - "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" [HD]

Hence the reason why PLAY TIME is THERAPUDIC.

But ALL PLAY and NO WORK can probably also be just as EQUALLY CHAOTIC???

wink

princess_tone1

I know the preverb Invidia I have known what it means since I watched Bridge On The River Kwai .Be Happy In Your Work! 😁

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