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was so unnecessary. Gouging out her own eye when all she had to do is wear an eye patch. Not at all realistic plus I sure as hell didn't want to see that. An example of why this show is just bad.

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i don't think it was a real eye. she lost that in the original fight. i do agree about just wearing the patch until she could have the camera removed.

this show did go two seasons too long.

Some thoughts about the necessity of what Rachel did and what we as viewers learned in episode 7:

1.) P. T. Westmorland had a button on his monitor to trigger images into Rachel's mind that led to horrible headaches. You can't avoid those with an eye patch.

2.) I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to me that the monitor/eye did also include a microphone to listen into Rachel's conversations. If that's not the case, P. T. definitely tapped Rachel's phone conversations (he was listening into Sarah's call). Either way, you can't avoid this surveillance with an eye patch.

3.) Rachel learned that her personal assistant, Mr. Frontenac, worked for P. T. and reported to him. He was her monitor in a way Donnie was to Alison, Delphine was to Cosima, Paul was to Sarah, etc. You can't avoid a personal monitor with an eye patch.

4.) The second P. T. would've realized that Rachel was aware of the surveillance by wearing an eye patch all day, the bets are good that P. T. has her killed. Rachel is a property for him, and her avoiding the surveillance via the eye patch would assure him that he can't trust her anymore.

5.) Basically, Rachel had nowhere to go or anyone to help her to get the eye/camera removed without P. T. knowing of it. In her last scene with Kira, for a few seconds, she mistakes Kira for her younger self, and asks herself verbatim: "Why don't you run?" Her answer: "Where would I go?"

For me, the whole idea of her eye being such an invasive surveillance device was brilliant from start to finish, and watching this scene of gouging it out herself was one of the best scenes of the entire show. :eye:

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page

@janar72 said:

Some thoughts about the necessity of what Rachel did and what we as viewers learned in episode 7:

1.) P. T. Westmorland had a button on his monitor to trigger images into Rachel's mind that led to horrible headaches. You can't avoid those with an eye patch.

2.) I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to me that the monitor/eye did also include a microphone to listen into Rachel's conversations. If that's not the case, P. T. definitely tapped Rachel's phone conversations (he was listening into Sarah's call). Either way, you can't avoid this surveillance with an eye patch.

3.) Rachel learned that her personal assistant, Mr. Frontenac, worked for P. T. and reported to him. He was her monitor in a way Donnie was to Alison, Delphine was to Cosima, Paul was to Sarah, etc. You can't avoid a personal monitor with an eye patch.

4.) The second P. T. would've realized that Rachel was aware of the surveillance by wearing an eye patch all day, the bets are good that P. T. has her killed. Rachel is a property for him, and her avoiding the surveillance via the eye patch would assure him that he can't trust her anymore.

5.) Basically, Rachel had nowhere to go or anyone to help her to get the eye/camera removed without P. T. knowing of it. In her last scene with Kira, for a few seconds, she mistakes Kira for her younger self, and asks herself verbatim: "Why don't you run?" Her answer: "Where would I go?"

For me, the whole idea of her eye being such an invasive surveillance device was brilliant from start to finish, and watching this scene of gouging it out herself was one of the best scenes of the entire show. :eye:

Best wishes,

janar

"Love [...] is the most incredible gift to give and to receive as a human being." - Ellen Page

Spoilers Abound:

I wholeheartedly agree. It was completely necessary. It freaked her out to find out that her new eye was a monitoring device AND to find out that her assistant was another monitor. All she ever wanted was privacy and a life of her own, and her eye was so very NOT this. So in her freaked out state, tearing the eye out was the only thing she could think of. As for #4, the second he realized she took her eye out and he couldn't see anything anymore, patch or not, her life was forfeit. I'm frankly surprised that she did survive, and while Fredrick was a complete evil ass, the only thing he did that was good (whether he really intended to or not) was to rescue her and get her the hell out of there. I'm still glad he's dead.

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