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Black Sails was my favorite show on TV. Such a shame that it had to end.

I had mixed feelings about the ending by the way. I think I'm going to have to go back and watch it again from the beginning and figure out what I missed. I still don't see how John Silver was anything but a backstabber and why Flint forgave him so readily. And I don't see how it fit his character. The ending didn't make sense to me.

Another problem with the ending is that Flint gets reunited with his gay lover that I have no memory of. And let's face it. Homosexuality wasn't accepted in those days. I could see it being accepted in Nassau between women. They are outlaws after all and not puritans. Plus the powers that be have always turned a blind eye to lesbianism. But that Flint and his boyfriend could have a happy ending does not seem remotely believable.

Oh well. The real disappointment is that the show is over though.

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I'll admit, I think the novel Treasure Island implies Flint dies some other way, but I think Silver killed Flint.

Remember, Silver's entire thing is that he's a skilled liar, a storyteller. As he was telling Mardi of what happened, there was a point after which his story and expressions moved from reporting, to grand and flowery language about how Flint felt and experienced... How could he know these things? His priority was keeping Mardi, he knew that to keep her he had to make her believe a story she could live with.

And what does Rackam do after that scene? He has a monolog exactly about truth and story being fluid, about truth becoming story and changing to serve a purpose.

Even after Silver tells that story, he sees us still starting to lose Mardi, what's he do? He gives her verbatim the exact same line he told Flint about waiting with him. Why would the writers do something that blatantly conniving unless to remind us that Silver uses words as his weapon best. He's not stupid. Exactly as someone else said, let the story be that Flint is murdered, the war would still be waged. But if Silver's goal is to make sure there's no war, he knew the story would have to be Flint retired and gave up on the cause.

@acontributor said:

Another problem with the ending is that Flint gets reunited with his gay lover that I have no memory of.

No memory of? Really? The entirity of season two told the story of Flint and Thomas. He's been mentioned often since then. It's been the whole driving force behind everything Flint has done. You should get your memory checked.

@acontributor said:

Black Sails was my favorite show on TV. Such a shame that it had to end.

It's a great show but I'm glad they chose to end it on their terms. Getting a botched final season due to cancellation is too common and always depressing.

I had mixed feelings about the ending by the way. I think I'm going to have to go back and watch it again from the beginning and figure out what I missed. I still don't see how John Silver was anything but a backstabber and why Flint forgave him so readily. And I don't see how it fit his character. The ending didn't make sense to me.

I actually really enjoyed the finale, it seemed a fitting end to me in an unexpected way. Treasure Island Silver seems much more bloodthirsty, conniving and amoral IMO, so having him pursue a less destructive future took me by surprise in a good way. I would have been devastated if he had killed Flint. Neutralizing him instead seemed to fit TV Silver's character. He had seen the world through Flint's eyes and realized how his actions would just continue to destroy. Silver is choosing instead to heal.

Another problem with the ending is that Flint gets reunited with his gay lover that I have no memory of. And let's face it. Homosexuality wasn't accepted in those days. I could see it being accepted in Nassau between women. They are outlaws after all and not puritans. Plus the powers that be have always turned a blind eye to lesbianism. But that Flint and his boyfriend could have a happy ending does not seem remotely believable.

I agree with @UrielF on that one. Sorry bud, watch s2 again and get back to us. I'm glad Flint got a relatively happy, though castrated (haha) ending.

Damn I'm going to miss this show!! Amazing actors, authentic sets, elaborate costumes...I'm looking forward to what Starz decides to do next.

Starz isn't exactly known for its programming so I am pessimistic, but I too hope that they come out with something else great.

Flint is dead. When Silver was pointing the pistol at Flint, the camera switched to an overhead shot of the three pirates waiting for Silver. The three pirates then suddenly started moving, as if reaction to something. They seemed somewhat startled, as if reacting to a gunshot.

Silver shot Flint. Flint would not have ended his war. The story of a secret prison in South Carolina where rich people send their sons (to ... save face?) is not believable.

After losing her once, Silver would have done anything necessary to keep Maddy alive, and out of Flint's foolish (unwinnable) war against the world.

Like I posted earlier, if this shoe stood alone, I'd agree with wtfrubbish: Silver killed Flint and lied to Mardi. However, the creators of the show have been very clear the show is a prequel to Treasure Island. So, while the show seems to set up the killing, the question then remains... Billy Bones claims he got the map to the treasure from Flint's deathbed in Carolina. That seems too much a coincidence that the farm is in S Carolina AND Bones found him there.

But the creators have been very careful about setting things up... And the leave Bones and Flint enemies, and Bones on the island. Why would they do that if they're setting up the prequel situation?

What if: While Bones had ample time on the island, he searched for and found the treasure... But couldn't do anything about it on his own, so best left it. But then later HE made the map himself! Then later, he lied to Jim Hawkins that Flint gave him the map.

(Although, if Flint did survive, I can see that in the 10 years between show and book that he and Bones loses their hatred for each other, and Flint having no need of the treasure, has no problem giving Bones the map.)

So, my question would be, WHY would Bones lie to Jim and tell him he got the map from Flint in Carolina?

So, this is tough. Narratively speaking, they so very much set it up that Flint is dead and Silver lied. But the creators HAD to know the disparity of that ending with the beginning of Treasure Island... Hmmm

A few things, homosexuality in pirates of the Caribbean's and British isles was more common than the public may believe. Pirates were outcasts, criminals, and those shunned by society. They already had low moral values, many of them were homosexual, and those that weren't didn't have enough of a moral backbone to care. There is a documentary I saw in the History channel that went deeper into it. Homosexuality in the normal public was about as taboo as being a devil worshipper attending Sunday church. However, in pirates, loot and gold took precedent over whom you wanted to put your penis in.

I liked the ending. As a prequel, it ended at the right moment before Treasure Island, which also answered a lot of questions for me. It was a long time ago when I read the illustrated version and I want to now pick up the book and read it again. I also plan to watch this show again too, not only because it was one of my favorite running shows, but I probably missed a lot of details from binge watching and things forgotten over time.

John Silver is not a back stabber. The best way to describe the relationship between Flint and Silver is using an example of divorce one of my buddies went through. When asked why he got divorced he said, "we were on the same page when we met, but somewhere down the road, her and I went in different directions. Eventually, we became two different people who weren't able to live together, so we got a divorce." Flint and Silver were friends until they both hit a crossroad where one went one way, the other went the other way. You can say Silver backstabbed Flint, but why don't you think Flint didn't backstab Silver? It goes both ways. I see them as two men going in different directions where their friendships had to end if they were to accomplish their goals.

Does no one feel sorry for Woodes Rogers? I connected with him the most. He was a reasonable guy, who wanted to end piracy in the West Indies. He had a noble goal, used whatever resources he could to accomplish it, and eventually, it became more of an obsession as does many things passionate people get into. He ended up accomplishing his goal in real life. There was a little rewrite of history, for instance, it wasn't Woodes Rogers that killed Blackbeard. And Blackbeard didn't die in such a pussy manner. The real ending resulted of a man, who was shot twice, stabbed twice, and continued to approach the British Lieutenant tasked to bring him down. Out of rounds, the british officer unsheathed his sword and lined up for a dual with Blackbeard and almost lost. Right before Black beard could finish the Lieutenant, one of the British soldiers was able to stab Blackbeard in the back, finally killing him. I have to say, as far as incredible ways to die goes, Blackbeard has the story of stories.

Silver never should have tried to strike a deal with Woodes Rogers. That's where everything went wrong. No I didn't feel sorry for him. He was a bastard.

The problem I found with the ending is that Flint wound up with Thomas on a plantation like it was some happy ending. I just doubt it would have been a happy ending for them unless no one at the plantation knew of their relationship. Being gay would have been seen as continuing a sinful life which seems to be what the plantation is trying to escape.

@acontributor said:

Silver never should have tried to strike a deal with Woodes Rogers. That's where everything went wrong. No I didn't feel sorry for him. He was a bastard.

The problem I found with the ending is that Flint wound up with Thomas on a plantation like it was some happy ending. I just doubt it would have been for them unless no one knew of their relationship.

That's your opinion. I'd bet you a months pay you'd make the same decision he did if you wore the same shoe.

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