Discuss Tyler Perry's The Haves and the Have Nots

I thought Hanna was right about life being a loop because everything all comes back to what Candace did. If she hadn't kidnapped Jim. If she hadn't cheated War.

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If they killed off little Q to make room for a pedigree or high-born baby for Candice and Faux Obama, I am done. Let her play nanny or step mom to his kids but an upgraded biological replacement baby I am not here for.

I actually think it was story line purposes. I think Hanna is going to have a crisis of faith and I really think she's through with Candace now. I'm kind of on the page for her to write off Benny, as well. He was horrible to Hanna and put Candace before everyone.

Im sure lil Q dying wont change Candice at all. I seriously almost put the scene with her and Erica on mute. I couldnt take that long stupid drawn out scene with those two useless hoes. And the scene with Jim and Candice was absolutely horrible. Was he playing her to get recordings or did he want to bed her again for real? Jim is such a slim ball. Obviously the dude doesnt give a rats @ss that his wife just cleaned out their house and left him high and dry, dude already thinking abt sex with a hooker again. All in all not impressed with the premier.

Jim was just gross. Was glad Candace ratted out Jeffrey to David. Maybe he'll get his son away from that evil with, although Jeffrey's treatment of Melissa helped to cause her suicide attempt. God, Veronica was even more out of control than usual That's another strike against Jim; stopping Kathryn from killing her.

I didn't watch last season but kept up with it via an online blog.

So terrible what happened to Little Q. But as someone else said, it all goes back to Candace and her actions. If she hadn't kidnapped and blackmailed Jim, if she hadn't cheated War, this might not have happened. I do think Hanna will have a crisis of faith.

This show is a guilty pleasure. It's so cheesy you can't help but get hooked. Perry is known for his long drawn out senseless scenes and the premiere was no exception. There was no need for the drawn out scene between Erica and Candace. No doubt Erica has turned on Candace. There was really no need for the long drawn out scene between Candace and Jim. Jim no doubt has something up his sleeve to further torment Candace which is why he acted the way he did.

Veronica has officially went off the deep end and there's no turning back for her now.

Veronica has no redeeming qualities. There's no one she has any decent feelings for. Even Jim truly loved Amanda. Veronica doesn't love Jeffrey; she just sees him as a reflection of herself.

I wonder if Hanna will give Candace a run for her money and family bitch. If she'll going back to the old Hanna now she's lost her faith.

I feel so bad for Hannah but it would be a nice change of pace to see her be a different Hannah for a while. She has Katberyn in her corner no matter what happens though.

Me too. It's crazy how no one has told Candice either. All of this is her fault to begin with. He wouldn't be dead if she didn't screw over War. Hopefully this will be the thing that would make her change.

Benny tried, but she won't answer her phone. And someone posted a picture where it looks like she's blaming Hanna. She won't change. She won't accept any blame for this. She's the queen of blaming someone else for it.

The thing that makes me have no sympathy for her is she thought this child was dead and she learns he's alive and visits him twice and one time was involuntary. Benny dragged her trifling butt to Hanna's motel room and if he hadn't been there she wouldn't have seen him one last time. She could have saw him at the hospital, but she heard Quincy was around and took off to save her own butt letting a five year old fend for himself. Then when Quincy laid dying he told her he knew something about Q's health and she just sat there and let him die, because it was more important Quincy die than learning something that could save her child's life. Then she was on her beat people up to get the money that never belonged to her in the first place trail while she let that child sit in the hospital and not visit him even once.

She's a piece of crap as a mother and she'd better not try to blame Hanna, because this Hanna might just knock her teeth out, this time.

@IveGotASecret said:

Benny tried, but she won't answer her phone. And someone posted a picture where it looks like she's blaming Hanna. She won't change. She won't accept any blame for this. She's the queen of blaming someone else for it.

The thing that makes me have no sympathy for her is she thought this child was dead and she learns he's alive and visits him twice and one time was involuntary. Benny dragged her trifling butt to Hanna's motel room and if he hadn't been there she wouldn't have seen him one last time. She could have saw him at the hospital, but she heard Quincy was around and took off to save her own butt letting a five year old fend for himself. Then when Quincy laid dying he told her he knew something about Q's health and she just sat there and let him die, because it was more important Quincy die than learning something that could save her child's life. Then she was on her beat people up to get the money that never belonged to her in the first place trail while she let that child sit in the hospital and not visit him even once.

She's a piece of crap as a mother and she'd better not try to blame Hanna, because this Hanna might just knock her teeth out, this time.

I agree but at the same time, Hannah wanted to keep the baby and has custody of him so it is ultimately her responsibility right now. Plus, it's not like Candice knew War was gonna shoot up the room so I have disagree with that sentiment. Benny took her there to try to protect her not just see that child. Candice is definitely selfish and basically unredeemable at this point but it's not like she knew what was gonna happen but she definitely should have took him with her. I honestly doubt Hannah would let her have him so I honestly don't think it would have worked. I'm not a Candice stan I'm just saying.

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