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Personally I wish RAGNAR had killed IVAR in the WOODS with his AXE like he intended to do back when he was still an INFANT so that we wouldn't have had to put up with watching BORING stories about him:


Ivar has fled Norway and Kattegat. He’s exploring the wide world, making his way down the Silk Road through exotic lands. We open to our crippled ex-king looking quite snazzy with long hair and a beard. Alas, he shaves it all away only minutes later. I prefer Ivar bearded and swarthy. Oh well. His band of mercenaries is set upon by Rus vikings and he’s whisked off to Kiev where he meets the charming psychopath, Prince Oleg (Danila Kozlovsky) one of many brothers vying for power in what is now the Ukraine.

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Prince Oleg is a charismatic bastard. He doesn’t believe that Ivar is actually a king, so he tortures his one remaining viking companion. Tortures him and then has his arms ripped off in a spray of blood, which seems to at once bother Ivar and, perhaps, fascinate him. Ivar is drawn to the crazy and cruel, and he’s certainly drawn to Oleg. The next thing we know, Ivar and Oleg are being dragged behind horses on a makeshift sled, strapped with ropes to what appears to be some kind of hot air balloon. They go flying together and have a nice bonding moment, chatting about Ivar being a god. When they land, they burst into laughter. Truly, a friendship that was meant to be. Oleg tells Ivar he will raise an army and help him take back Kattegat. He just has some family business to attend to. So they travel to his brother’s keep where Oleg’s ward, Igor (Oran Glynn O'Donovan) lives. Igor is the true heir to the Rus throne, and a boy of about twelve. He’s Oleg’s nephew—the son of his brother-in-law. Oleg wants to collect him from his brother so that he can control the succession. He does so by poisoning and murdering his brother. It’s quite a scene. Oleg dances a Russian jig while his brother spits blood and collapses. Then he takes the boy.

Oleg is known as “The Prophet” because he once avoided being poisoned himself through a premonition. When his other brother comes to arrest him—unless he handsover Igor unharmed—Oleg tells him that unless he allows them to leave unscathed, something terrible will happen to him. His brother calls his bluff and asks him to tell him the name of his new wife who he wed in secret in order to prove that he is truly a prophet.

Oleg is ready for it and not only tells him her name, but also reveals that he has taken the poor young woman captive. Ivar gets a good laugh out of all of this. Truly, a friendship that only bitter betrayal and psychopathic greed will be able to undo. That’s a very brief rundown of what happened with Ivar’s story in the Season 6 premiere.

The rest of the episode focuses on Kattegat and its new king, Bjorn Ironsides. Peace has come to Ragnar’s old home at last, but it’s a restless kind of peace. The remaining brothers live in a precarious harmony. Bjorn is king, and he genuinely wants to do the right thing and be a different kind. Different from Ivar, but I think different from his feckless father as well. His wandering eyes haven’t changed much, however. There is always a new female conquest on the horizon for Bjorn. Like his father, monogamy is not his strong suite. His wife’s servant, Ingrid, is the new object of his desire. No doubt in an episode or two they’ll do the deed. Bjorn might make for a good king, but a good husband is another question entirely—let alone a good father.

Point in case: Ubbe and Torvi seem happy, raising Bjorn’s children together. They take Lagertha off to find a plot of land she can cultivate. She’s done with the ways of the warrior (for now) and wants to raise livestock and live in peace. It’s a nice dream almost guaranteed to be shattered.

Her visions of her past life, as they sail their way to her new one, are quite moving. For those of us who’ve stuck it out this long, seeing Ragnar is always a bit painful. The show has moved on and it will never really be the same. Even a season premiere that’s far better than most of Season 5 (and much of Season 4) still lacks that essential ingredient. And not just Ivar, but Rollo also. That was the first story of brothers at odds and, so far at least, I’ve never felt quite as drawn to this new batch of squabbling brothers.

So Lagertha finds her plot of land and Ubbe and Torvi offer to help turn it into her dream farm. She will need some livestock, she informs them. She buries her sword in the ground and pledges never to fight again. We know it’s a lie.

Hvitserk isn’t doing as well as Bjorn and Ubbe. He’s a drunk and—dare I say it—by the end of the premiere almost over-plays the traumatized drunkard. The performance starts strong and ends maudlin. Oh well. The point is, Hvitserk chose to be Ivar’s lackey and it cost him dearly. Now his sanity is paying the price.

Others of Ivar’s former allies have also suffered. King Harald is now captive to King Olaf and has sent word to Bjorn to come to his aid, something Bjorn struggles with throughout the episode, going so far as to talk it out with the ghost of the Seer about his kingly troubles.


HVITSERK has OBVIOUSLY followed in the FOOTSTEPS of his UNCLE ROLLO (who also became a DRUNK after the FIRST TIME he betrayed his BROTHER RAGNAR).

In the end, he decides to help Harald. He owes him that much for fighting alongside him and saving his life. Ubbe and Torvi had planned to go search for Floki in Iceland, but Bjorn convinces them to stay and look after Kattegat while he’s away. Hvitserk is too damaged to be left in charge.

We learn of Floki’s disappearance from Kjetill who has returned to drum up new settlers for the Iceland project. He convinces Ubbe to return with him, though in the end we learn that Kjetill himself will not be sailing, either. Bjorn is suspicious of his story and essentially presses him into service for his new war against Olaf.

And so we have the table set. Oleg and Ivar will muster an army and sail to Kattegat to rape and plunder. Bjorn will absolutely not be faithful to his wife. Hvitserk will stir up trouble thanks to his PTSD. Ubbe will continue to be the only one of Ragnar’s sons who is decent in pretty much every way. Lagertha will play farmer until that’s no longer an option.

Hopefully the next time LAGERTHA PICKS up a WEAPON she'll also get to ENTER INTO those HUGE GOLDEN DOORS that we saw RAGNAR approaching.

And It would also be nice if her daughter GYDA who died would also be waiting there for her to WELCOME her INSIDE of them.

Once inside, Maybe her daughter could also ESCORT her mother over to a TABLE where she would be the GUEST of HONOR???

It would also be nice to see that LITTLE SIGGY is also there and has been taken care of by her AUNT GYDA ever since IVAR killed her with his AXE back when she was still just a TODDLER.





Dear child, Gyda, you are not gone because you are always in my heart. They say that a man must love his sons more, but a man can be jealous of his sons, and his daughter can always be the light in his life. ” –Gyda's father, Ragnar


Gyda was the daughter of Ragnar Lothbrok and Lagertha who perished during the plague along with Thyri, in Kattegat


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What's also interesting is how BJORN tried to do what he thought was the RIGHT THING when he BANISHED the BANDITS, who then proceed to ATTACK his mother, his young son, and his daughter.

So in the process of doing what he thought was the BEST thing to do, he actually did the WORSE thing that he could have done in regards to members of his family (who would probably also have been much SAFER if BJORN had KILLED the BANDITS ... who then proceed to MURDER his young son ... along with the young sons and even the infant Son of several other WIDOWED women who had also already lost their HUSBANDS and other SONS in WAR … WIDOWED women that the BANDITS also BEAT, RAPED, and STOLE FOOD and FARM animals from).

And this also reminds one of a conversation that one attempted to have with others over at the STAR TREK FORUM who are obsessed with that show not sticking with what they see as being the OPTIMISTIC UTOPIAN VISION that they think that show use to have in the PAST.

Because the decision that BJORN makes also ILLUSTRATES all too clearly why having an IDEALISTIC VISION of the way that one thinks something should be done and actually putting that IDEAL into PRACTICE also don't usually end up working out the way that one expects it to (which was also illustrated by FLOKI and what he attempts to do in ICELAND which also ends in DISASTER).

In other words, BJORN thought killing the BANDITS wasn't the BEST way to deal with them, and that it wouldn't be WORSE PUNISHMENT for them, because BANISHMENT would make them OUTCAST who had no rights (which in THEORY would also make them SUFFER even MORE by being LEFT ALIVE).

So as a RESULT of attempting to make them SUFFER MORE by leaving them ALIVE, BJORN and several other women now have DEAD CHILDREN, and the BANDITS now not only have their FOOD and ANIMALS (also meaning they have no way to SURVIVE the HARSH WINTER), but the BANDITS also have all of the FREE SEX that they want anytime they want it (by BEATING and RAPING the DEFENSELESS WOMEN who also now have NO SONS or husbands to protect them).

So this is what happens whenever one tries to RULE a community.

Unforeseen situations like this one constantly arise where DOING what appears to be the RIGHT THING can turn out to be the WRONG thing, or to be the WORSE thing that one could have chosen to do.

And no matter how OPTIMISTIC or UTOPIAN an existence one would like to ACHIEVE, one will also ALWAYS encounter situations like this one in THE VIKINGS that demonstrate all too clearly the reasons why having a UTOPIAN existence here in this UNIVERSE that we now inhabit is nothing more than a DREAM which will NEVER come true.




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