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In this 39 SECOND clip we hear the SEER saying something that sounds like IVAR is ripe for the BOLDER??

And at the 19 SECOND TIME MARK we see someone hanging UPSIDE DOWN who is set on FIRE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=BBvhOl20KEY

Since we also saw Ivar suggesting his brother HVITSERK would be the one SACRIFICED at the feast where he celebrates having declared himself a GOD, does this mean he kills another brother???

Or did HVITSERK escape and whoever the HOODED FIGURE is that we see will turn out to be someone else???

Maybe it could even be THE SEER himself who will be SACRIFICED after IVAR discovers his brother has tricked him, escaped, and run away???

It also sounds like we might hear IVAR yelling the name LAGERTHA at one point, but she's also in England.

:thinking:

Here's the clip where Ivar announces to HVITSERK that he's a GOD and suggests to him that he will SACRIFICE his brother at the FEAST to celebrate his NEW LOFTY STATUS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bv4zjNWFsM

You can also Go to the 2:35 TIME MARK where the most important part of the scene begins.

Is anyone else as SICK of IVAR as I am???

Can hardly wait to see someone KILL HIM and get rid of him the way RAGNAR should have done … way back when he had the chance to … when IVAR was still an INFANT and RAGNAR sat there with his AXE in the woods.

Because IVAR's also done nothing but make EVERYONE ELSE around him MISERABLE, even back when he was still an INFANT who cried all of the time and kept everyone else around him AWAKE all night.

Apparently it will be KING HAROLD of NORWAY who gets rid of him, but technically BJORN and UBBE should also be the ones to seek REVENGE for the death of HVITSERK before they also claim KATTEGAT is their KINGDOM as the HEIRS of RAGNAR.

Hopefully LAGERTHA won't be foolish enough to go back to KATTEGAT with them thinking that she'll become the QUEEN of KATTEGAT again???

Why else would we hear IVAR calling out her name in the PREVIEW CLIP for next week???

BJORN will probably also SKIN IVAR ALIVE if that's his mother that we see hanging upside down in the scene where someone is being BURNED ALIVE.

And all of this happens because RAGNAR wanted more SONS and couldn't keep his hands off of the BROOD MARE who bore him 4 MORE of them???

MORE GIVE ME MORE GIVE ME MORE …

And the result of having it is TOTAL CHAOS.

:rolling_eyes:

King Harald conspiring against Ivar | Vikings 5x13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92rminhX5Js

Since the guy he's talking to only kisses the ARM BAND and never agrees to OVERTHROW IVAR, could that be KING HARALD that we see hanging UPSIDE DOWN???

:thinking:

END SCENE for Ep 13 where we see the HOODED figure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdO97_mT6k8

Vikings: Ivar's Sacrifice S5 Ep 13 (Ending Scene) |

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Due to the way IVAR KILLS the SEER with his AXE …

which reminds one of the way that he also killed his brother SIGARD in a fit of rage …

does anyone else think he also killed BJORN'S daughter LITTLE SIGGY the same way???

:thinking:

Ivar and Freydis both must die.

What I'm wondering is that if he actually believes in his gods, which he must in order to believe himself to be one, then how on Earth did he expect Odin, Thor and friends to fall for him grabbing some poor woman at random and saying she was Lagertha?

At least there was the small mercy of slashing Not Lagertha's throat and bleeding her out before the flames rather than burning her alive and conscious, but that just fits the Viking tradition of sacrifice portrayed in this show. (No comment on historical accuracy or lack thereof on that point, which I wouldn't know anyhow. Just consistency with the show's canon.)

Could the Seer actually be murdered by Ivar The Boneless, or anyone else? His remarks to others about living in the cold, damp ground and for Margarethe not to dig him up again led me to believe he was some sort of undead being. I was almost surprised to see blood come from his head wound rather than the dust to which he returned.

Just as with the Arab in the desert, Bjorn just can't tell friend from foe in situations fraught with treachery. Magnus is having too much success in recruiting him towards the plot also opposed to keeping him and his alive in the kingdom. I was actually a little disappointed to see the guy chicken out on the signal to attack. I was imagining Ubbe and Torvi holding their own and protecting Alfred while Lagertha, Bjorn and Heahmund cleaned house of the conspirator combatants. A glorious bloodbath that would have left no doubt as to the value of having these people on their side.

Lagertha really needs to tell her son about Athelstan and Judith and whose son the King really is.

And as for Athelred, who can say for certain whether Ecbert was his grandfather or his father?

Was the question ever addressed as to whether Magnus may have been the son of Athelwulf?

@BobPeters61 said:

Ivar and Freydis both must die.

She's definitely going to DIE. The remark Harold made about how Ivar should learn from what happened to his wife not to depend upon this other girl giving birth indicates she'll meet the same fate as pregnant Astrid did.

What I'm wondering is that if he actually believes in his gods, which he must in order to believe himself to be one, then how on Earth did he expect Odin, Thor and friends to fall for him grabbing some poor woman at random and saying she was Lagertha?

Ivar is INSANE. He's also EXTREMELY SADISTIC (like that other character was in Paris who BEAT the other woman with a WHIP because she was a SURROGATE or a stand in for the PRINCESS that he wanted who married ROLLO instead). Since IVAR can't abuse LAGERTHA, this other female becomes a surrogate for him. Just like ROLLO also RAPES the other SERVANT girl who becomes a SURROGATE for him after he tried to screw LAGERTHA and she turned him down.

At least there was the small mercy of slashing Not Lagertha's throat and bleeding her out before the flames rather than burning her alive and conscious, but that just fits the Viking tradition of sacrifice portrayed in this show. (No comment on historical accuracy or lack thereof on that point, which I wouldn't know anyhow. Just consistency with the show's canon.)

Yeah it was a relief to know she died before they burned her body. Perhaps someone related to her will seek revenge and burn IVAR alive for killing her??? Also wonder if the SEER had any kind of special status that might make the rest of the community pissed off for IVAR killing him???

Could the Seer actually be murdered by Ivar The Boneless, or anyone else? His remarks to others about living in the cold, damp ground and for Margarethe not to dig him up again led me to believe he was some sort of undead being. I was almost surprised to see blood come from his head wound rather than the dust to which he returned.

He said he stands at the DOORWAY between 2 WORLDS. So it sounds like he's HALF ALIVE/ HALF DEAD.

Just as with the Arab in the desert, Bjorn just can't tell friend from foe in situations fraught with treachery.

Have no idea what's up with BJORN. He seemed pretty clever back when he was still 12 and he tried to get Ragnar to stop seeing THE BROOD MARE. But lately he's been pretty selfish, such as the way he suddenly DUMPS TORVI for no good reason. So how can he do that after the way he got so upset with Ragnar for doing that same thing to his mother???

Magnus is having too much success in recruiting him towards the plot also opposed to keeping him and his alive in the kingdom. I was actually a little disappointed to see the guy chicken out on the signal to attack. I was imagining Ubbe and Torvi holding their own and protecting Alfred while Lagertha, Bjorn and Heahmund cleaned house of the conspirator combatants. A glorious bloodbath that would have left no doubt as to the value of having these people on their side.

Looks like Alfred's half brother will eventually try to kill him, and then the VIKINGS will become heroes who get rewarded. But one also suspects LAGERTHA will die soon as well (due to the way they killed ATHELSTAN and RAGNAR the last 2 seasons). So we're probably up for still another MAIN character biting the dust.

Lagertha really needs to tell her son about Athelstan and Judith and whose son the King really is.

Yeah it seems strange that BJORN wouldn't know Alfred is the son of ATHELSTAN. Perhaps Bjorn is also planning on using MAGNUS as a way to try and claim the land in Mercia belongs to him by way of his mother???

And as for Athelred, who can say for certain whether Ecbert was his grandfather or his father?

Since Ecbert was screwing LAGERTHA at the time Athelstan sleeps with JUDITH, he's probably the grandfather. But you're right about how one never knows. Because the TS ELIOTT POEM he quoted also seems to hint he was screwing JUDITH before he got involved with Lagertha.

Was the question ever addressed as to whether Magnus may have been the son of Athelwulf?

He doesn't look anything like Athelwulf. And we know ALFRED (not MAGNUS) isn't his son due to the way he said he hadn't had sex with JUDITH since the birth of her first child.

And maybe the reason why he wasn't having sex with her was because he also knew his father was screwing her???

Knowing about something like that could surely be a NOT in the MOOD situation and cause a son not to want to have sex with his wife if his father was also having sex with her.

And IF his father had gotten her pregnant and knew that his son also knew he wasn't the father of the child, then that could also be a reason why he'd get JUDITH to FLIRT with and SEDUCE ATHELSTAN.

In the scene where the FAT BISHOP cuts off her EAR, it also looked like ECBERT was worried that she'd accuse HIM of being the father of the child when the BISHOP demanded to know the name of the person who got her pregnant.

And then ECBERT was also the one who told the BISHOP to STOP before he cut off her other EAR and her NOSE (at which time she may also have said ECBERT was the father).

And putting the blame onto ATHELSTAN for something that ECBERT had done himself would also not be out of character for him.

Because he also ORDERED his son to destroy the VIKING SETTLEMENT ... and then blamed the NOBELS for doing it so that he could have them EXECUTED and get them out of his way ... so he could proceed to be KING of ALL of the territories in Wessex and in ENGLAND.

He also DOUBLE CROSSED Judith's father as well by telling him they'd SPILT UP MERCIA between them and then kept it all for himself.

So knowing what a SLEAZY character he was, blaming another man for getting a woman pregnant that he'd gotten pregnant himself would MAKE SENSE.

And if ALFRED is his SON, then it would also explain the reason WHY he shows ALFRED so much more attention than he did his FIRST BORN GRANDSON.

But since it's also possible for a woman to get pregnant again a month later when she's already pregnant, perhaps Alfred really is ATHELSTAN's son.

Because a woman I knew also had a set of FRATERNAL TWINS that didn't look anything like one another. One of them looked just like her OLDER sister (who was a year older), but the other one looked completely different from her TWIN.

And the mother said it was because she'd gotten pregnant with her a MONTH after she was already pregnant with the OTHER TWIN.

So maybe something similar happened and JUDITH was pregnant by both ECBERT and ATHELSTAN, but the TWIN who was fathered by ECBERT died when the other one was created???

ONE TWIN taking up space and having the other one EXPELLED is also a common thing to have happen.

Baby birds who are bigger or stronger than their siblings will also oftentimes shove them out of their way while they're inside of the nest for example.

So maybe ATHELSTAN's offspring did the same thing to ECBERT'S and shoved it out of the WOMB???

Because ALFRED also had that VISION where he saw ATHELSTAN .

:thinking:

@Invidia said:

Ivar is INSANE. He's also EXTREMELY SADISTIC (like that other character was in Paris who BEAT the other woman with a WHIP because she was a SURROGATE or a stand in for the PRINCESS that he wanted who married ROLLO instead). Since IVAR can't abuse LAGERTHA, this other female becomes a surrogate for him. Just like ROLLO also RAPES the other SERVANT girl who becomes a SURROGATE for him after he tried to screw LAGERTHA and she turned him down.

Nice analysis. That never would have occurred to me, but may well be spot on.

He doesn't look anything like Athelwulf. And we know Magnus isn't his son due to the way he said he hadn't had sex with JUDITH since the birth of her first child.

But Magnus isn't Judith's. He's the son of Kwenthrith, deposed queen of Mercia who claimed his father was Ragnar, who denied that claim. It's in the show that she and Athelwulf got it on a few times after he rescued her from her usurpers as ordered by Ecbert.

Nice analysis. That never would have occurred to me, but may well be spot on.

Glad to hear how much you like the comparisons of ROLLO, the FRENCH GENERAL, and IVAR all using SURROGATES or substitutes to abuse as a way to sooth their wounded egos.

Otherwise I'm confused.

Yes, Magnus is the son of the MERCIA QUEEN, but didn't you say you thought ALFRED was the son of ECBERT???

Or did you mean MAGNUS might be the son of ECBERT???

Ecbert supposedly only screwed her that ONE TIME, where he didn't satisfy her, and then sent in the other 4 men to please her.

And too much time had passed since that time for him to have fathered MAGNUS.

Or are you suggesting MAGNUS is the son of ECBERT's son???

we know Magnus isn't his son due to the way he said he hadn't had sex with JUDITH since the birth of her first child.

Ok now I see the problem.

This is suppose to say ALFRED isn't is son (not MAGNUS).

we know ALFRED isn't his son due to the way he said he hadn't had sex with JUDITH since the birth of her first child.

Sorry for the CONFUSION. Now I'll also go back and EDIT it to CORRECT IT.

Otherwise I'm confused.

Yes, Magnus is the son of the MERCIA QUEEN, but didn't you say you thought ALFRED was the son of ECBERT???

Or did you mean MAGNUS might be the son of ECBERT???

Actually, I'm saying that Magnus might possibly be the son of Athelwulf, who hooked up with Kwenthrith on the way home from saving her.

I separately pondered incorrectly whether Athelred was Ecbert's grandson (son of Athelwulf) or possibly the son of Ecbert who made Judith his mistress in exchange for protecting her from Athelwulf's wrath beyond the one ear after Alfred was born. I forgot that Athelred was the elder brother, spoiling that line of thought.

All of these Athel's does get confusing. But when the WULF one starts screwing MISS MERCIA Magnus was already born.

Remember how she was in the TOWER with him when Wulf shows up to rescue her??? Magnus was at least 4 or 5 at that time, making it highly unlikely Wulf fathered him.

Didn't she have a fling with Ecbert before Magnus was born?

Yes Miss Mercia had a SEXUAL ENCOUNTER with ECBERT (who apparently climaxed too quickly), so after she complained, he sends in 4 other guys (some guards and a midget) so they could finish the job he started and satisfy her sexually.

So YES she had a very brief encounter with ECBERT, but immediately after that she also had sexual encounters with 4 other males.

And even if she didn't have sex with Ragnar, he may also not realize how she could also have inseminated herself with his semen if she'd massaged him and made him climax.

Meaning even IF he didn't actually have sexual intercourse with her, she could still have impregnated herself by inserting her finger into her vagina (a process also used by another different character in a KURT VONNEGUT novel).

Anyhow, if memory serves one correctly, too much time had also passed since her encounter with Ecbert for MAGNUS to be his OFFSPRING.

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