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So is the REVELATION suppose to be ROLLO might be BJORN'S father???

Didn't we also already figure that out several episodes ago???

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The name of the former slave who'll certainly be King Ivar's queen?

Do you mean the girl who was murdered in the next eppy?

Margareth who was having sex with all of the brothers at one time??

Or the other pretty blond who screws some other guy so that she can pretend the offspring she gives birth to is IVAR's???

And wasn't the SHEEP already suppose to have that position???

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Just watched the next eppy ON DEMAND.

BJORN must be ROLLO's son due to the way he keeps CHEATING and LUSTING after other women who are involved with other males (like the way ROLLO lusted for LAGERTHA).

But then RAGNAR also CHEATED on LAGERTHA with the BROOD MARE who bore him 4 more sons.

What's seems clear enough is ROLLO probably RAPED LAGERTHA which would explain why she told him he was a GREAT WARRIOR but was NOT a NICE MAN.

When he RAPED the slave girl that was probably the same thing he did to LAGERTHA after she told him she plans to marry his brother.

And that would also explain why she killed KNUT when she caught him RAPING the ENGLISH WOMAN while they were on the RAID.

Because he had her bent over a table the same way as we saw ROLLO treating the slave girl when he RAPED her which may also have reminded LAGERTHA of how ROLLO had RAPED her.

Wonder if BJORN will be the one who kills ROLLO???

if FLOKI ever leaves ICELAND, he'd probably also want to kill the 2 TIME TRAITOR if he ever shows back up in KATTEGAT again.

Athelstan's son ALFRED is also turning out to be quite an impressive RULER.

Wonder what will happen to the girl his mother JUDITH chose for him to marry if he discovers BJORN's been screwing her???

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Do you mean the girl who was murdered in the next eppy?

Margareth who was having sex with all of the brothers at one time??

Or the other pretty blond who screws some other guy so that she can pretend the offspring she gives birth to is IVAR's???

Freydis, of course. The real coup was when she convinced Ivar he was a god so he would fall for that biologically incorrect blood-slurping conception nonsense. With wiles like that, I wouldn't be surprised to see her worshipping Loki.

At the time the Seer gave the prediction of a queen who was once a slave, it seemed at the time it would be Porunn but then she bugged out over a face-scarring batttle wound and we soon got Margarethe looking that way when Ubbe freed and married her to challenge Lagertha's authority. Then along came Freydis and by that time it was "wait and see" if Hirst was yanking our chain again to milk that one for all the curiosity it could manage. But in one of the last two eps, we got King Ivar naming her as his new queen, making her the one.

I wonder if the "Murder Most Foul" in the title of that ep meant the murder of Margarethe, which was anticlimax to her story arc or to Heahmund murdering his rival in the church. That latter one has to have some consequences to watch for. At the best it cold bring the rivalry between Church and Crown to a head.

Wonder what will happen to the girl his mother JUDITH chose for him to marry if he discovers BJORN's been screwing her???

I wonder if Judith will sit Bjorn down, show him what's under that hair bun on the side of her head and tell him who Alfred's daddy was. After all, Bjorn did love Athelstan like a member of his family. Might be seen as a way to encourage him to back off.

But then if Heahmund is arrested for murder, that's bound to endanger the party of Vikings he brought home with him.

Thanks for taking time to explain this Bob. Your efforts are much appreciated!!!

When the Seer said that ... wasn't he also talking about ROLLO (who has already married a PRINCESS)???

And wasn't BJORN also suppose to marry one as well?

Have we also seen IVAR visit the SEER and be told he'd also marry one as well???

After all of this time has passed one has lost track of who the SEER has seen and what he's said to which one of them.

And where the hell is he??? When's the last time we saw him speaking to someone???

Did a SEARCH and FOUND THIS CLIP of IVAR speaking with THE SEER:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=SvJ5QkrJjv4

Apparently THE SEER is the one who visits IVAR. And IVAR also tells him he's WRONG when he predicts what will happen. The clip also includes a FLASHBACK to the scene where IVAR kills his brother SIGARD who is also right when he says IVAR is crazy. A SANE person would also never fall for the SCAM where someone tells him he's a GOD and they can produce a child for him even though he's STERILE because he's some kind of a SUPERNATURAL BEING.

Do you think the storyline with FLOKI is to illustrate how he's also as DELUDED as IVAR is and we're suppose to draw the parallel between them (while also keeping in mind how FLOKI was also more of a FATHER FIGURE to IVAR than RAGNAR was due to the BROOD MARE never letting him raise Ivar)???

Ragnar should have done everyone a favor and killed the little BASTARD back in the woods with his AXE when he was still an infant the way he originally had planned on doing.

If THE BROOD MARE hadn't rescued him, the lives of several people would have also been much better off than they've been.

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This Freydis character also reminds one of IVAR's mother THE BROOD MARE.

Because for a long time one also suspected that THE BROOD MARE had also LIED to RAGNAR (the same way as this Freydis has to IVAR) and that UBBE wasn't really the BIO SON of Ragnar.

Otherwise why would she wait until her belly was so big before she arrives there in KATTEGAT showing it off on that BOAT with her SERVANT GIRLS all dressed up in MATCHING OUTFITS???

What that scene indicates is she was probably hoping enough time had passed so Ragnar couldn't figure out he wasn't the one who KNOCKED her up.

But since UBBE also looks more like RAGNAR than any of the rest of them do, that also seems to verify that she probably didn't lie???

And who was the guy we see this Freydis screwing??? Have we ever seen him before???

At least she choose someone with intense BLUE EYES ... which will also make her claim that the child is IVAR'S more plausible ... if she ever GIVES BIRTH. But after what the KING of NORWAY said to IVAR, one also suspects this Freydis girl will end up as dead as the other girl name ASTRID ( who was also LAGERTHA'S LOVE interest and had also had SEX with her son BJORN).

The way so many characters are screwing one another this show has also turned into quite a SOAP OPERA filled situation.

I wonder if the "Murder Most Foul" in the title of that ep meant the murder of Margarethe, which was anticlimax to her story arc or to Heahmund murdering his rival in the church. That latter one has to have some consequences to watch for. At the best it cold bring the rivalry between Church and Crown to a head.

Perhaps the title refers to both situations???

It will be interesting to see what happens and if Lagertha's new LOVER will ever get his OLD JOB back again.

Is BJORN not aware of ALFRED being ATHELSTAN'S SON???

Great observation about how the arrest of the former BISHOP could put the rest of the VIKINGS in harms way again.

It was also CREEPY how we saw them inside of a CAGE that reminded one of the other CAGE they kept RAGNAR in before they KILLED HIM.

One also suspects LAGERTHA might volunteer to DIE if ALFRED would also agree to let BJORN and the others live (because they also weren't the ones who were having SEX with the former BISHOP which is what motivates him to kill the other guy who took his job away from him).

And ROLLO also told LAGERTHA that it was the LAST TIME they would ever see each other.

SO unless ROLLO shows up in ENGLAND with his SHIPS to rescue her, one also suspects we might be looking at the LAST DAYS of LAGERTHA ... who might also DIE in the same way as RAGNAR did???

In other words, maybe that CREEPY CAGE could also be a way to FORESHADOW what's next to come???

But since killing RAGNAR also brought down the WRATH of his SONS upon them, one would also think ALFRED should know better than to do something else like that again that would also PISS OFF her son BJORN and cause still more wrath to get released???

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For all that was said in the "Revelation" ep, the scene that most impressed me was when Harold, Ivar and Rollo were in a conversation and it was what wasn't mention that got me: Harold was lamenting having killed his own brother (in battle) and Ivar downplayed it, telling him not to worry about it. Rollo commiserated that he, too, had tried to kill his own brother (also in battle) but nobody dared mention that Ivar had also killed his own brother (in a fit of sibling rivalry induced rage at a celebratory feast.)

Rather chilling in its implications.

When the Seer said that ... wasn't he also talking about ROLLO (who has already married a PRINCESS)???

And wasn't BJORN also suppose to marry one as well?

Separate predictions in a single consultation, I figured.

However, perhaps Bjorn might end up marrying the princess intended for Alfred, and his mother will just have to find him another one. Probably not that big a chore for her.

And who was the guy we see this Freydis screwing??? Have we ever seen him before???

I figured he was just some guy she picked out at random to use as a sperm donor. Possibly even a slave. It did appear that they knew each other, but were never more than acquaintances. At any rate, she could be sure of his silence on the matter for his fear of Ivar should the truth come out.

At least she choose someone with intense BLUE EYES ... which will also make her claim that the child is IVAR'S more plausible ... if she ever GIVES BIRTH. But after what the KING of NORWAY said to IVAR, one also suspects this Freydis girl will end up as dead as the other girl name ASTRID ( who was also LAGERTHA'S LOVE interest and had also had SEX with her son BJORN).

Astrid had good reason to choose making Lagertha kill her in battle over carrying the pregnancy to term. The father was, presumably, someone in the family of the fisherman she serviced in a gang-bang in exchange for the warning to Lagertha. And Harold isn't crazy and deluded as Ivar is. In her case that would have come back on her in a very bad way.

It was also CREEPY how we saw them inside of a CAGE that reminded one of the other CAGE they kept RAGNAR in before they KILLED HIM.

In all fairness to the warriors of Wessex, they were Norse people they had found coming up the river in a Viking boat. At that point they could only have been considered prisoners until such time as they appeared before the king and sorted things out. That cage was the medieval equivalent of one built into the back of a police car or van.

I wonder where the men rowing that longboat came from and what became of them.

@BobPeters61 said:

For all that was said in the "Revelation" ep, the scene that most impressed me was when Harold, Ivar and Rollo were in a conversation and it was what wasn't mention that got me: Harold was lamenting having killed his own brother (in battle) and Ivar downplayed it, telling him not to worry about it. Rollo commiserated that he, too, had tried to kill his own brother (also in battle) but nobody dared mention that Ivar had also killed his own brother (in a fit of sibling rivalry induced rage at a celebratory feast.)

Rather chilling in its implications.


Wonderful observations Bob!!! So well put!!! None of this even occurred to me while watching the scene. The fact that ROLLO and Harold had something in common did (esp with ROLLO pointing it out to us), but IVAR killing his brother never came to mind during that scene.

How CREEPY that the 3 of them have something like that in common with one another. But ROLLO also never killed RAGNAR the way these other 2 killed their brothers.

When the Seer said that ... wasn't he also talking about ROLLO (who has already married a PRINCESS)???

And wasn't BJORN also suppose to marry one as well?

Separate predictions in a single consultation, I figured.

However, perhaps Bjorn might end up marrying the princess intended for Alfred, and his mother will just have to find him another one. Probably not that big a chore for her.


Since the marriage of JUDITH was ARRANGED for her by her father, it's not very likely the father of this other girl would allow her to marry a VIKING who had NO ASSESTS or anything of MONETARY VALUE to offer in return.

Wonder what ever happened to all of the LOOT that they got in PARIS???

Did BJORN spend all of his share on building boats for the TRIP he took where he ate the flesh of the MUSLIM guy that got killed???

Also Wonder why ALFRED wouldn't be interested in picking someone to marry himself and leaves the choice up to his mother???

Is it possible he might be gay???

Or simply not even interested in having sex???

At his age one would also expect him to have a harem by now.

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And who was the guy we see this Freydis screwing??? Have we ever seen him before???

I figured he was just some guy she picked out at random to use as a sperm donor. Possibly even a slave. It did appear that they knew each other, but were never more than acquaintances. At any rate, she could be sure of his silence on the matter for his fear of Ivar should the truth come out.


Good point about how the guy she screwed would keep his mother shut rather than let IVAR find out that he'd had sex with her and was the one that got her pregnant. Any fool could see that would be a DEATH SENTENCE if he ever confessed to doing that.


At least she choose someone with intense BLUE EYES ... which will also make her claim that the child is IVAR'S more plausible ... if she ever GIVES BIRTH. But after what the KING of NORWAY said to IVAR, one also suspects this Freydis girl will end up as dead as the other girl name ASTRID ( who was also LAGERTHA'S LOVE interest and had also had SEX with her son BJORN).

Astrid had good reason to choose making Lagertha kill her in battle over carrying the pregnancy to term. The father was, presumably, someone in the family of the fisherman she serviced in a gang-bang in exchange for the warning to Lagertha. And Harold isn't crazy and deluded as Ivar is. In her case that would have come back on her in a very bad way.


Yes that would also mean a DEATH SENTENCE from Harold and something even WORSE happening to her before she was killed if HAROLD found out she'd sent word to LAGERTHA warning her he was coming to attack KATTEGAT on the next FULL MOON.


It was also CREEPY how we saw them inside of a CAGE that reminded one of the other CAGE they kept RAGNAR in before they KILLED HIM.

In all fairness to the warriors of Wessex, they were Norse people they had found coming up the river in a Viking boat. At that point they could only have been considered prisoners until such time as they appeared before the king and sorted things out. That cage was the medieval equivalent of one built into the back of a police car or van.

I wonder where the men rowing that longboat came from and what became of them.


One understands the need for the CAGE to keep prisoners in, it's just CREEPY to recall how RAGNAR was also kept inside of one of them and them remember what happened to him.

As for the rest of the men who rowed the boat …

Also wonder HOW they talked others into going to ENGLAND when no one wanted to go back there with RAGNAR???

Perhaps they planned to join other VIKINGS that were already there taking over the place during the early stages of ALFRED's rule???

Since ALFRED also said he expects them to FIGHT for him in return for his setting them free from prison, and he also promised to give them some land for a settlement later on, one also suspects those who helped row the boat were set free as well???

4 more days to go until we find out what's going to happen to the former BISHOP who killed the guy who took over his job and then ran his stupid mouth about his rival having had sex with LAGERTHA.

FOUND this WONDERFUL REVIEW of the story that REVEALS what the REVELATION is about (which also parallels what you've already previouosly pointed out and said regarding the matter):

@BobPeters61

Harold was lamenting having killed his own brother (in battle) and Ivar downplayed it, telling him not to worry about it. Rollo commiserated that he, too, had tried to kill his own brother (also in battle) but nobody dared mention that Ivar had also killed his own brother (in a fit of sibling rivalry induced rage at a celebratory feast.) Rather chilling in its implications.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/29/vikings-season-5-episode-11-the-revelation-review-2

Rollo as the epitome of "Guy who has everything, but also nothing?" He rolls into Kattegat, the savior, and sadly reflects on how he's now too important to risk getting hurt in actual battle. Meanwhile, Ivar and Harald mope about all the ruin they caused and opportunities they squandered. They've won, but they both feel hollow. Harald lost his bride, baby, and brother. Ivar missed his chance to kill Lagertha. And then, at their highest-lowest, they're faced with Rollo, who's basically them years from now. So many riches, so much dissatisfaction. The true defeat that lies in conquest. Is this Rollo's ultimate fate? His curse? To have everything except the actual things he wants? He pleads with Lagertha and Bjorn to run away with him, and live under his protection, but deep down he must have known she'd refuse. That's part of what he loves about her, isn't it?

Rollo also helped cast a giant shadow over Ivar and Harold, as a man who's gained wealth and power but still feels disconnected and adrift.


In other words, the scene with ROLLO and the other 2 REFLECTING upon their FATE also reminds one of the other scene between RAGNAR and BJORN where he explains how POWER CORRUPTS you once you obtain it.

So even though the article doesn't mention it, LOOMING OVER ALL of them is also the SHADOW of the now DEAD RAGNAR

(and even though ROLLO didn't kill him the way the other 2 killed their brothers … technically ROLLO is still STANDING there in the SHADOW of RAGNAR … due to the way ROLLO still can't have the WOMAN that he wants ... the woman that his brother was also able to have and WIN the HEART of).

To put it another way, even though ROLLO WINS (gains lots of RICHES in the WORLD), he's also still LOST the battle that he had with RAGNAR.

Which also takes us back to the BIBLE QUOTE from ATHELSTAN:

Bible Quote:

Mark: 8:36

For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?

So there's the REVELATION for us in a NUT SHELL.

*Even though IVAR is KING, he's still a STERILE one who can't have kids and pass on the KINGDOM of KATEGAT to them.

*Even though HARALD has a KINGDOM, he's also still childless.

*And even though ROLLO has RICHES and children, he's also still LUSTING after LAGERTHA:

a woman that he can't have or WIN over to him ( which ECBERT also wasn't able to do when he also tried to make her HIS MISTRESS).

So there's our REVELATION:

Regardless of their RICHES or their POWER or their LOFTY sounding TITLES ...

All of them still also have HOLLOW or EMPTY SOULS.

Like the REVIEW says:

THEY HAVE EVERYTHING, but also still have NOTHING.

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