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In the novel "Yesterday's Son (1983)" by A. C. Crispin, Spock discovers he has a son, Zar, whose mother is Zarabeth (STOS S3E23 "All Our Yesterdays").

Of course this did not happen in the television series or the movies.

Is it possible that Spock has children? Who would be the mother?

  1. Leila Kalomi

  2. Droxine

  3. Zarabeth

  4. Christine Chapel

  5. T'Pring

  6. Saavik

  7. Valeris

  8. Anyone else?

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@Maria Kelly We got 20 medals Maria we ended 5th after the US in the overall ranking.Not bad for a tiny speck on the worldmap.

@Nexus71 :grin: True, but WE got the Gold for the Men's Team Curling's Event, so there!

@sukhisoo :wink: I figure that it would be okay for Spock not to mention Zarabeth,Leila, (or any possible offspring) as long as T'Pring didn't mention any fooling around with Stonn (and you know there probably was some).

by Maria Kelly:

I figure that it would be okay for Spock not to mention Zarabeth,Leila, (or any possible offspring) as long as T'Pring didn't mention any fooling around with Stonn (and you know there probably was some).

Had Spock not been deprived of his self control ,due to the spores,he would not have acted on his love for Leila .

Idem ,in "All Our Yesterdays , Spock was deprived of his self control ...he regressed to being essentially "emotionally focused " like his ancestors were 5,000 years ago (it's a plothole, shouldn't have happened seeing Spock had not been prepared by the Avachron,anyways)...on the other hand T'Pring "betraying " Spock with Stonn was a free choice she made .

PS.Spock and T'Pring were not "weds to be" anymore when Spock met Zarabeth .

If being linked in childhood was an expected practise then even Stonn betrayed someone..or maybe only important status Vulcans followed this practise?

They never said what happens if the man doesn't want the woman. Does she also have to fight to the death, if she doesn't want to give him up? That might be unlikely, if the women don't also have the "blood fever." But maybe that's what happened with Stonn: he didn't want Mrs Stonn, and she didn't want to - or didn't have to - fight for him, so that was that.

by Knixon:

. Does she also have to fight to the death, if she doesn't want to give him up? That might be unlikely, if the women don't also have the "blood fever."


Reading you reply reminded me of something...

I saw very little of Star Trek :Enterprise but didn't T'Pol go thru Pon Farr?

So it would seem that both sexes go thru Pon Farr but not every Vulcan in childhood is bonded .

Did T'Pol ever mention something about being bonded?

I don't remember T'Pol having Pon Farr. She had problems with controlling her emotions through much of the series, due to a "faulty" mind meld and exposure to come chemical compound in The Expanse. But if her having Pon Farr was mentioned, I don't remember it. And T'Pring sure didn't seem to be suffering much during that episode. But maybe her "cycle" wasn't exactly the same as Spock's. (Although it seems like they'd want that to be one effect of the "joining:" to have them in sync.)

Yes T'Pol suffered from Pon farr in ENT she was infected by some virus that triggered her Pon Farr even though it wasn't her time yet .She had to remain in decon because the virus was also infectious to humans so Phlox had to keep her there locked she first tried with Phlox but he kept her off later she escaped from decon and was caught by Malcolm (wearing a protective suit) and tried to seduce him which he declined(which was quite odd since he had stated that she had a "lovely bum" and was having fantasies about her in the episode Shuttlepod One ).Later she contracted Pa'nar syndrome (which she contracted after having an involuntary mindmeld with a Vulcan from a group of "emotional " Vulcans which was lead by Chris Pine's dad (probably some early incantation of the group Sybok was a member of )and because of that had troubles controlling her emotions added to that she became addicted to Trellium D which allowed her for a while to interact with humans (especially Trip ) in a more emotional way. She was cured from Pa'nar syndrome thanks to T'Pau.

Little is known of Pon Farr.

Just snippets of conversation.


STOS S2E01 "Amok Time":
...
Spock: " How do Vulcans choose their mates? Haven't you wondered?"
...
Spock: "It is the pon farr. The time of mating."
...
Spock: "I'm a Vulcan. I'd hoped I would be spared this, but the ancient drives are too strong. Eventually, they catch up with us, and we are driven by forces we cannot control to return home and take a wife, or die. "


STOS S3E21 "The Cloud Minders":

Droxine: "You only take a mate once every seven years?"
Spock: "The seven-year cycle is biologically inherent in all Vulcans. At that time, the mating drive outweighs all other motivations."

Droxine: "And is there nothing that can disturb that cycle, Mister Spock?"
Spock: "Extreme feminine beauty is always disturbing, madam."


Star Trek: Enterprise S2E25 "Bounty":
...
T'Pol: "We call it the pon farr, the cycle of mating."
...
T'Pol: "What caused it doesn't matter. If I don't mate with a male, Vulcan or otherwise, I'll die."


Why seven-year cycle and not another number? Were the writers thinking of "The seven-year itch"?

Why seven-year cycle and not another number? Were the writers thinking of "The seven-year itch"?

Well in the case of T'Pring it was "The seven year bitch" (that was way too easy man ) :laughing:

Because of the behavior of T'Pring and other evidence, it still seems like something the writers/producers of Ent just threw in for the hell of it. So I'll ignore it, as seems to be required of many things about Ent, if it's supposed to fit in with the other series-es and movies.

This is starting to get silly (but fun). BTW, the actress who played Droxine, Diana Ewing, was in a third season episode of Mission Impossible (I can't remember the name of it).

the episode was called Live Bait Maria

@Nexus71:😎:Thanks. A young Martin Sheen was in that episode, as well as Anthony Zerbe, who was in Star Trek Insurrection AND the James Bond movie License To Kill (which I thought was a good movie). And I thought that John Crawford, who played the American Double Agent Orin Shelby was sexy.

yes?

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