First your questions. Yes it is still worth watching, but I wish it had not been spoiled for you. And secondly, in the second season there is another case, an old case of Alec Hardy's. At first it is sort of a background thing. I shouldn't say much about it so I don't spoil anything about it.

Don't worry, those are not nit picking things you pointed out. Most of what I write about shows are things I think don't make sense, or some criticisms I have of them. It doesn't mean I don't like the shows. But we tend to write about things which pop out at us as inconsistent or a bit hard to believe.

But the thing with Mark Latimer, in my opinion, is that he thought his affair had absolutely nothing to do with Danny's death (and it didn't) and he didn't see any advantage to admitting it, not in the beginning. He could only see it ruining his marriage, and he desperately wanted to avoid doing that or hurting Beth any more than she had been hurt already. To me, that is sort of how he saw the issue; it could only hurt his marriage and it wouldn't do anything to solve the murder case. Of course, his fake story didn't hold up so of course the police then wasted time looking at him as a suspect.

I think it was much the same thing with the others; they had reasons they didn't want to tell the truth, and they knew they had nothing to do with the murder so they figured that telling the truth would only harm them and would not help solve the case.

And the other thing, I don't recall what Jack said about Danny and the mailman; I don't recall that at all. Sorry, it has been a while since I watched that bit.

As far as our other thread, yes that is mostly just the two of us over there. We talk about whatever comes to mind, often other shows. Sometimes other issues. We were on another thread once and a member got upset over something they thought one of us meant, which they didn't, and it became a sort of argument over nothing. We decided to chat back and forth in that thread there.

But yes, as I say in the start of that thread, I love this show.

Thanks for the reply. I guess I didn't have as much problem with some of the characters trying to cover up their indiscretions by lying about alibi's. I guess it was more about how bad the lies were or how easy it was to poke holes in them. The fact that Jack didn't come clean right away considering what he was being accused of is sort of mind boggling.

Of course I get the fact that the writers were doing what was part of the allure of the show and that is give the viewers multiple suspects to ponder and then lessen or heighten the possibility they were the actual killer as the episodes wore on. Had the characters told the truth right away that would have made that less possible to pull off. I think at one time I had 9 possible suspects as Mark, his employee Nige, friend Joe, paper shop owner Jack, woman with the keys Susan, Reverend Paul, boyfriend Dean, the mailman, and the psychic dude.

The Jack accusation of Danny arguing with the mailman was an early episode and Jack called Hardy back to say he had remembered something. He had saw Danny arguing with the mailman and in the scene they showed what Jack saw from his perspective. It was behind the mail truck and it looked like heated words were being exchanged and Danny pushed away the mailman. The view from Jack's perspective was quite distant and Hardy pressed Jack if he was sure. They interviewed the mailman who denied any argument and said he only knew Danny in a passing say hello way.

I mention it because all of the other accused were one by one cleared up but the mailman. It very well may have been a story Jack told to deflect from him but that was not revealed.

I do recall watching the segment where Mark Latimer was taken in and held for questioning and thinking he was a damned fool to keep his silence at that point. It was one thing when there was no suspicion concerning him; at that point I could understand him not wanting to volunteer the information that he had been cheating on his wife that night. But once he became a person of interest in the murder investigation of his son he should have told them "listen, I can explain my whereabouts that night, but you must assure me that when you see it clears me of any involvement, this remains a secret between us." The police would have immediately known "this guy was cheating on his wife" of course. But they could have quickly checked out his story and released him.

Nige isn't the brightest fellow in the show. I understand he didn't want to admit he illegally poached game. But just as with Mark, once he realized he was a suspect, he should have been able to understand that clearing himself of a murder charge, and allowing the police to continue searching for the real killer was much more important than avoiding whatever legal problems might arise from poaching game. He was also cagey about who that 'crazy' woman was, or what he knew about her. I didn't see the reasoning for that.

But this is what writers do in order to create tension or problems for the hero of the story to have to solve. They sometimes have to contrive situations to create crises, and they don't always fit with our experience with reality, because their goal is to create problems for the hero. In some shows they go way too far. The situations they create are so contrived that viewers have a hard time accepting that it could really happen like that, or that normal people would behave that way, etc. This sort of thing happens in almost every show, to some extent.

I give this show very high marks though. Even though there are these instances you and I think are a bit odd, they are not so far out of the realm of possibility. In fact, I would bet these things have happened in real life at times.

@write2topcat said:

First your questions. Yes it is still worth watching, but I wish it had not been spoiled for you. And secondly, in the second season there is another case, an old case of Alec Hardy's. At first it is sort of a background thing. I shouldn't say much about it so I don't spoil anything about it.

Don't worry, those are not nit picking things you pointed out. Most of what I write about shows are things I think don't make sense, or some criticisms I have of them. It doesn't mean I don't like the shows. But we tend to write about things which pop out at us as inconsistent or a bit hard to believe.

But the thing with Mark Latimer, in my opinion, is that he thought his affair had absolutely nothing to do with Danny's death (and it didn't) and he didn't see any advantage to admitting it, not in the beginning. He could only see it ruining his marriage, and he desperately wanted to avoid doing that or hurting Beth any more than she had been hurt already. To me, that is sort of how he saw the issue; it could only hurt his marriage and it wouldn't do anything to solve the murder case. Of course, his fake story didn't hold up so of course the police then wasted time looking at him as a suspect.

I think it was much the same thing with the others; they had reasons they didn't want to tell the truth, and they knew they had nothing to do with the murder so they figured that telling the truth would only harm them and would not help solve the case.

And the other thing, I don't recall what Jack said about Danny and the mailman; I don't recall that at all. Sorry, it has been a while since I watched that bit.

As far as our other thread, yes that is mostly just the two of us over there. We talk about whatever comes to mind, often other shows. Sometimes other issues. We were on another thread once and a member got upset over something they thought one of us meant, which they didn't, and it became a sort of argument over nothing. We decided to chat back and forth in that thread there.

But yes, as I say in the start of that thread, I love this show.

I wanted to thank you for recommending that I still watch season two even though I knew the outcome of the trial. It was still a very good season and you were right there was a good story to follow that provided a lot of background for what troubled Hardy.

I finished season three the other night and IMO it was easily the weakest of the series. Maybe it was the different crime, maybe it was a couple of the actors I didn't care for, not sure. I did love seeing my old "Chef" buddy Lenny Henry though.

Anyways, if I was to rate it by season I would go 5 star, 4 star, and 3 star. I am glad I stumbled on to your long mostly off topic thread that turned me on to it.

I'm glad it worked out. I agree about season three being the weakest and I'm also not sure why. But I give the series high marks overall. I hope the writers can come up with another murder mystery like season 1. Often times once a show becomes a hit and has an audience it seems to me that the topics begin to include agendas, social or political points the writers want to put before the audience so the show becomes a vehicle for promotion of certain social or political views, whereas in the first season they were only worried about creating a hit show and keeping it interesting. I haven't seen that with this show so far. I hope they keep it true to the original flavor.

HHH, Have you seen the 'American' version Gracepoint?

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/61405-gracepoint?language=en-US

@bratface said:

HHH, Have you seen the 'American' version Gracepoint?

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/61405-gracepoint?language=en-US

No, I didn't know about that one. It's not on Netflix but I see that Prime Video has it so I will give it a try there. Thanks for the tip.

@write2topcat said:

@bratface said:

HHH, Have you seen the 'American' version Gracepoint?

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/61405-gracepoint?language=en-US

No, I didn't know about that one. It's not on Netflix but I see that Prime Video has it so I will give it a try there. Thanks for the tip.

I will check it out also.

BTW, do either of you watch Death In Paradise? I have seen the first 5 or 6 episodes but have not gotten back to it. I liked what I saw but have so many things in my queue right now I am being really selective.

I'm also hoping for a season 2 of Bodyguard, but it looking less and less like that is going to happen (if you believe the internet). Strange since they said he was the highest rated drama in the UK during it's run.

Finally I keep putting off watching Luther which at least 3 people have begged me to watch, so that will probably be my next binge. Have either of you watched it?

I have watched Luther all the way through. It was cancelled and then picked back up by Netflix so there should be more of it coming. It is different, strangely interesting even though I thought some aspects were sort of worn out, I mean his interactions with Det. Decker after a while seemed to be retreaded too much. Yet it didn't bore me. Luther is Luther Morningstar, the Devil himself. He got tired of hell and decided to take a vacation and picked Los Angeles where he runs a nightclub. He doesn't lie (much), tells people he is the devil, but everyone thinks he is a method actor or something weird, not uncommon in LA apparently. He has the power to get people to tell him what they desire. He winds up meeting a female detective, who it turns out is the only person immune to his power. That's the basic premise. See if it grabs you. It's one of those quirky shows that some like and some not as much.

Never heard of Death in Paradise. I'll look for it and check it. Turns out I would have to pay extra for it on Prime Video and it's a bit too much for my wallet

@write2topcat said:

I have watched Luther all the way through. It was cancelled and then picked back up by Netflix so there should be more of it coming. It is different, strangely interesting even though I thought some aspects were sort of worn out, I mean his interactions with Det. Decker after a while seemed to be retreaded too much. Yet it didn't bore me. Luther is Luther Morningstar, the Devil himself. He got tired of hell and decided to take a vacation and picked Los Angeles where he runs a nightclub. He doesn't lie (much), tells people he is the devil, but everyone thinks he is a method actor or something weird, not uncommon in LA apparently. He has the power to get people to tell him what they desire. He winds up meeting a female detective, who it turns out is the only person immune to his power. That's the basic premise. See if it grabs you. It's one of those quirky shows that some like and some not as much.

Never heard of Death in Paradise. I'll look for it and check it. Turns out I would have to pay extra for it on Prime Video and it's a bit too much for my wallet

Write2, You are confusing Luther (which stars Idris Elba) which is a UK show & Lucifer (which stars Tom Ellis).

You should watch 'Death in Paradise', it's a fun show. The only thing that bugs me is the constant changing of the 'head detective'. My fav was Kris Marshall (who I thought should have been the latest Doctor). The latest season/series (9) will debut in January 2020 with another new 'head detective'.

@HarrisonHanksHackman said:

@write2topcat said:

@bratface said:

HHH, Have you seen the 'American' version Gracepoint?

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/61405-gracepoint?language=en-US

No, I didn't know about that one. It's not on Netflix but I see that Prime Video has it so I will give it a try there. Thanks for the tip.

I will check it out also.

BTW, do either of you watch Death In Paradise? I have seen the first 5 or 6 episodes but have not gotten back to it. I liked what I saw but have so many things in my queue right now I am being really selective.

I'm also hoping for a season 2 of Bodyguard, but it looking less and less like that is going to happen (if you believe the internet). Strange since they said he was the highest rated drama in the UK during it's run.

Finally I keep putting off watching Luther which at least 3 people have begged me to watch, so that will probably be my next binge. Have either of you watched it?

I like 'Death in Paradise', it's a fun show. The only thing that bugs me is the constant changing of the 'head detective'. My fav was Kris Marshall (season/series 3-6, who I thought should have been the latest Doctor). The latest season/series (9) will debut in January 2020 with another new 'head detective'.

Luther is a great show, don't put it off. You will not be disappointed. I'm a huge Idris Elba fan (so I might be partial) but this character is by far his best.

As for Bodyguard, I'll wait until it comes to my library. It doesn't intrigue me enough to pay to watch it.

@bratface said:

Write2, You are confusing Luther (which stars Idris Elba) which is a UK show & Lucifer (which stars Tom Ellis).

You should watch 'Death in Paradise', it's a fun show. The only thing that bugs me is the constant changing of the 'head detective'. My fav was Kris Marshall (who I thought should have been the latest Doctor). The latest season/series (9) will debut in January 2020 with another new 'head detective'.

Oh shit, yes you're right. Somehow I saw one thing and thought another.

Yes, I have also seen Luther and really like the show. Following is a setup of the basic premise and background you learn in the first episode, so if you would rather see it all yourself, stop reading here. I am only giving a few details from the first episode to give you an idea of what the show is like: Idris Elba is great as a detective chief inspector (I think that is his rank). Heroes almost always have a flaw and Luther gets a bit emotionally involved in his work. In the first episode you learn he had to take time off after a tough case in which he chased down a child molester and failed to reach out and grab his arm to keep him from falling from about 20 yards height. Nobody knows this but Luther and the suspect who is in an extended coma. Still, there were questions raised and an investigation which cleared him, for the time being anyway. Luther sometimes has anger issues. He is separated from his lovely wife Zoe. He is a good detective though. In the first episode he is called out on a murder case. That is the foundation and nothing you would not pick up in the first episode.

@write2topcat said:

@bratface said:

Write2, You are confusing Luther (which stars Idris Elba) which is a UK show & Lucifer (which stars Tom Ellis).

You should watch 'Death in Paradise', it's a fun show. The only thing that bugs me is the constant changing of the 'head detective'. My fav was Kris Marshall (who I thought should have been the latest Doctor). The latest season/series (9) will debut in January 2020 with another new 'head detective'.

Oh shit, yes you're right. Somehow I saw one thing and thought another.

Yes, I have also seen Luther and really like the show. Following is a setup of the basic premise and background you learn in the first episode, so if you would rather see it all yourself, stop reading here. I am only giving a few details from the first episode to give you an idea of what the show is like: Idris Elba is great as a detective chief inspector (I think that is his rank). Heroes almost always have a flaw and Luther gets a bit emotionally involved in his work. In the first episode you learn he had to take time off after a tough case in which he chased down a child molester and failed to reach out and grab his arm to keep him from falling from about 20 yards height. Nobody knows this but Luther and the suspect who is in an extended coma. Still, there were questions raised and an investigation which cleared him, for the time being anyway. Luther sometimes has anger issues. He is separated from his lovely wife Zoe. He is a good detective though. In the first episode he is called out on a murder case. That is the foundation and nothing you would not pick up in the first episode.

I have seen series/seasons 1-4, haven't had a chance to see 5. I'm trying to get my local library to add it. They have 1- 4. I think this is Elba's best role.