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When Jaime leaves WInterfell, I thought for sure he was going to murder Cersei. But it turns out he was just going to... die with her? I'm a little confused as to what his motivation was.

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@movie_nazi said:

When Jaime leaves WInterfell, I thought for sure he was going to murder Cersei. But it turns out he was just going to... die with her? I'm a little confused as to what his motivation was.

He wanted to rescue her, as he knew that Dany was likely to prevail. Though I guess he also suspected that it would end in their deaths, but din't care because he loved her.

@M. LeMarchand said:

@movie_nazi said:

When Jaime leaves WInterfell, I thought for sure he was going to murder Cersei. But it turns out he was just going to... die with her? I'm a little confused as to what his motivation was.

He wanted to rescue her, as he knew that Dany was likely to prevail. Though I guess he also suspected that it would end in their deaths, but din't care because he loved her.

That pretty much nulls the idea that he found redemption which is pretty sad. I thought for sure he would do the right thing by end of series.

His motivation was love.

@movie_nazi said:

That pretty much nulls the idea that he found redemption which is pretty sad. I thought for sure he would do the right thing by end of series.

I'd disagree. He did become a better person; he just loved Cersei too much to leave her.

@M. LeMarchand said:

@movie_nazi said:

That pretty much nulls the idea that he found redemption which is pretty sad. I thought for sure he would do the right thing by end of series.

I'd disagree. He did become a better person; he just loved Cersei too much to leave her.

Yes, he became a better person as in he wouldn't push another boy out of the window for an evil witch of a woman but he sure as hell didn't make up for the first little boy he pushed out. He could have done that by eliminating Cersei and perhaps preventing the destruction of King's Landing. Of course, we all know he didn't make it on time but if that was never his intention then he was never redeemed.

@movie_nazi said:

Yes, he became a better person as in he wouldn't push another boy out of the window for an evil witch of a woman but he sure as hell didn't make up for the first little boy he pushed out. He could have done that by eliminating Cersei and perhaps preventing the destruction of King's Landing. Of course, we all know he didn't make it on time but if that was never his intention then he was never redeemed.

Shrugs Life's not that simple.

There's an interesting quote from GRRM on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Lannister

[What] Jaime did [to Bran] is interesting ... Remember, Jaime isn't just trying to kill Bran because he's an annoying little kid. Bran has seen something that is basically a death sentence for Jaime, for Cersei, and their children ... So I've asked people who do have children, "Well, what would you do in Jaime's situation?" They say, "Well, I'm not a bad guy—I wouldn't kill." Are you sure? Never? If Bran tells King Robert, he's going to kill you and your sister-lover, and your three children ... Then many of them hesitate. Probably more people than not would say, "Yeah, I would kill someone else's child to save my own child, even if that other child was innocent." These are the difficult decisions people make, and they're worth examining.

@M. LeMarchand said:

@movie_nazi said:

Yes, he became a better person as in he wouldn't push another boy out of the window for an evil witch of a woman but he sure as hell didn't make up for the first little boy he pushed out. He could have done that by eliminating Cersei and perhaps preventing the destruction of King's Landing. Of course, we all know he didn't make it on time but if that was never his intention then he was never redeemed.

Shrugs Life's not that simple.

There's an interesting quote from GRRM on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Lannister

[What] Jaime did [to Bran] is interesting ... Remember, Jaime isn't just trying to kill Bran because he's an annoying little kid. Bran has seen something that is basically a death sentence for Jaime, for Cersei, and their children ... So I've asked people who do have children, "Well, what would you do in Jaime's situation?" They say, "Well, I'm not a bad guy—I wouldn't kill." Are you sure? Never? If Bran tells King Robert, he's going to kill you and your sister-lover, and your three children ... Then many of them hesitate. Probably more people than not would say, "Yeah, I would kill someone else's child to save my own child, even if that other child was innocent." These are the difficult decisions people make, and they're worth examining.

Yes, a very interesting point. Not much of a defense though. Imagine standing before a judge and saying, "Your honor, I tried to kill the boy because if I didn't then it would be revealed that I had committed treason and fathered illegitimate children with my sister of all people. But you can see the reasoning can't you? Think of the children!! One child for three is a damn good trade!" .

I suppose the point its that there wouldn't even BE a court in this case. Just a very angry king after your blood - and his word is law. You can only play the Game of Thrones if you are alive after all...

I also didn't like that he still loved Cersei but after reflecting a bit lol not just because he loved her but...it's a twin thing.

@Joe79 said:

I suppose the point its that there wouldn't even BE a court in this case. Just a very angry king after your blood - and his word is law. You can only play the Game of Thrones if you are alive after all...

I don't know. They all seem to respect the trial by combat rule which at the time Jaime would have been a damn good challenge.

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