There's a season 3 in Twin Peaks, so that's where the discussions are :) It's not a stand-alone/new show, from the information we have gathered so far.

@Invidia said:

But of course one will also NOT HOLD ONE'S BREATH waiting for an apology from her and risk turning BLUE.

LOL, And we still don't have a separate section for it so they are still not recognizing this.

@Invidia Can we dial it down a notch?

In this particular case, maybe it's worth talking about. IMDb now has it listed as a new TV show, which I am pretty sure (but could be wrong) it wasn't before. Looks like Wikipedia is following suit.

I have no idea what you're talking about. No one is stubborn, Marr is only one of 50 moderators on TMDb. We had previously discussed and agreed to treat this as a season 3. This was a company decision and had nothing to do with Marr. I will delete any more comments directed at her.

Do you want to discuss moving ahead with creating a new entry or not?

The problem is how it was also PREVIOUSLY explained and POINTED OUT before how IMDB had THE NEW SHOW in a separate section prior to the SHUT DOWN on FEB 20.

So this is also NOTHING NEW.

We don't blindly follow IMDb's lead, basically ever. They are wrong a lot so we make our own judgement calls in situations like this.

CAN the FORUM that I set up to DISCUSS the NEW SHOW that MARR DELETED be UNDELETED?

First of all, Marr can't delete anything in the forums. Only I can. Second, I believe what I did was move the discussions from that show to the existing entry. I don't believe anything was deleted.

If not, then is it OK for me to SET UP another one again???

I'll ping the moderators about this so we can all get on the same page. Don't bother creating anything yet since it might just get deleted.

Because if you think it's not worth talking about, then that also seems to indicate you have no interest in having an increase of TRAFFIC to this forum?

The database (content) comes first, always. Let's figure that out first.

I have invidia on ignore, but since she's still agitated about her "missing topic":

You only just created a topic which I happened to see in the recent activity. I responded in that thread that with a suggestion to report your content on the "original" Twin Peaks discussion forums, as the Twin PEaks 2017 entry you created was gonna be deleted.

It does not automatically remove said discussion however. The discussion is just not tied to any content entry, therefore hard to find. Only findable by going back to old, old, old pages in the recent activity page.

There can't be a discussion forum for something that is not tied to a content entry. Twin Peaks 2017 is not a seperate entry (it was already a seperate entry on IMDb back in the day, I remember you linking to it, but as Travis said, we don't blindly copy IMDb, but prefer the official website. Which still indicates it as a part of the original. A new season/sequel named "The Return", much like the Spartacus named seasons at Starz

@alltimemarr said:

I have invidia on ignore, but since she's still agitated about her "missing topic":

You only just created a topic which I happened to see in the recent activity. I responded in that thread that with a suggestion to report your content on the "original" Twin Peaks discussion forums, as the Twin PEaks 2017 entry you created was gonna be deleted.

It does not automatically remove said discussion however. The discussion is just not tied to any content entry, therefore hard to find. Only findable by going back to old, old, old pages in the recent activity page.

There can't be a discussion forum for something that is not tied to a content entry. Twin Peaks 2017 is not a seperate entry (it was already a seperate entry on IMDb back in the day, I remember you linking to it, but as Travis said, we don't blindly copy IMDb, but prefer the official website. Which still indicates it as a part of the original. A new season/sequel named "The Return", much like the Spartacus named seasons at Starz

Well, the fact that Showtime calls it a "Limited Event Series" in the very link you posted pretty much points out it being a standalone series. I'm totally with you on NOT following IMDB's lead though. They often screw stuff up.

@movie_nazi said:

Well, the fact that Showtime calls it a "Limited Event Series" in the very link you posted pretty much points out it being a standalone series.

I have to disagree. The fifth season of Prison Break is also an event series.

I'm gonna take the weekend to think about this, we're currently almost evenly split in the moderator forum about this so there has been no clear consensus.

@Invidia said:

Can only Moderators see the FORUM where you discuss this?

If others can also read it can someone also please post a link where we can find it?

It would definitely be interesting to see what's being said and why others still insist the NEW SHOW is a continuation of S1 and S2 when the CREATOR himself also says that is NOT the case.

I highly doubt regular users have access to the moderator's forum. They need a place to discuss things without outside people, possibly trolls, coming in and flooding the discussion with nonsense. I can understand and respect that.

Anyone who has seen the first 4 episodes should also know by now WHY that is not the case.

Because this NEW VERSION of the show is also NOTHING like the OLD VERSION of it.

Lynch may still be using some of the same characters from the OLDER VERSION, but this story is also a completely NEW and very different BALL of Wax (so to speak).

Invidia, you know I love ya hun but you know that 25 years later in OUR time (not the narrative) is most definitely gonna produce a different show especially from someone like Lynch who is forever evolving. Heck, even the pre-quel movie was VERY different in tone that the TV show and that was only 2 years later.

And thank you to everyone else for your time and for your input into the matter as well (even if you also don't agree that we'd be better off with a SEPARATE TWIN PEAKS 2017 forum for the BRAND NEW and VERY DIFFERENT VERSION that we now have of the SHOW).

I do agree that it should have its own forum but not because it's different from the original series. I think it should have it's own because it has been said in articles that it is its own stand-alone entity, much like the film. Except this is an 18 hour film broken up into parts and it is NOT continuing after this! I understand the staff being divided on this because in reality, this is probably the first time this has ever happened. Can you recall the last time a show that ended 25 years ago has the story continued in such a way? I myself cannot.

Please also NOTE the way THE OLDER VERSION of the show also didn't include CREATURES ...

(like the BUM from MULHOLLAND DRIVE) ...

and CHARACTERS in it ...

(like DAN from MD who also DIES when he sees the BUM behind the DINER)...

that were from other LYNCH films.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down there little doggie! Where do you get that is DAN from MD? The same actor yes, but there is nothing to indicate it is the same character. And where did you see the BUM from MH? The jail cell scene?

This is also why we're into BRAND NEW TERRITORY now with this NEW SHOW which is heading in a completely NEW and different direction from the OLDER VERSION of the SHOW.

I agree and which is why I am in love with it. Although I did like TP original, there is a lot of stuff in the 2nd season (mostly when Lynch quit) that leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Also, I am more into the horror aspect of the story rather than the comedy aspect and the show looks poised to bring that aspect in spades.

If a different story is the reason for breaking the entries up, I'd like to point out the monogatari anime series.

They even have seperate websites for each sequel/prequel/continuation, because that's a thing in anime.

US website, scroll down for a list of all sequels/prequels/continuations.
Original Japanese website, up are all the links to the websites. The last one doesn't really count as it's the three-part-movie.

But let's see what Travis thinks! :)

@alltimemarr said:

If a different story is the reason for breaking the entries up, I'd like to point out the monogatari anime series.

They even have seperate websites for each sequel/prequel/continuation, because that's a thing in anime.

US website, scroll down for a list of all sequels/prequels/continuations.
Original Japanese website, up are all the links to the websites. The last one doesn't really count as it's the three-part-movie.

But let's see what Travis thinks! :)

Oh geez, this brings up yet another different point I had previously brought up about listing English speaking dubbed actors on anime shows/films. But much like the Conan saga, THAT is another story.

If your only reasoning for wanting to have a separate series for the new season is to have a different "forum" Travis has already said that's secondary.

If a user goes to the existing Twin Peaks entry and sees "The Return" season (or season 3 as it was earlier) but isn't sure whether they can discuss the new series, then they have far bigger problems. Plus if they type with every other word capitalized, it's probably better that they not post here anyway. I can see why someone would use the ignore button on Invidia. capitalizing words is considered yelling on forums and is very rude.

And did you know that your edits are viewable by everyone? When you created a separate entry for the new season, even your enlightened self created it as season three with this overview: "Season 3 of the story picks up 25 years later after the end of Season 2."

https://www.themoviedb.org/account/Invidia/changes

Showtime's webpage shows this as the overview for the new series of episodes: "Twenty-five years later, the story continues..."

Plus there's the name of the new series of episodes, "The Return". That says that it's a continuation.

@Invidia said:

Because the MAIN GOAL should also be to HAVE IT as a way to INCREASE TRAFFIC.

Travis has already said it's not the main goal, having a good database is.

@Invidia said:

And one also doesn't care how we get it or WHO SETS it up as long as we HAVE IT and get more people to discuss the show with.

Not if those people type with every other word capitalized.

@Invidia said:

If your only reasoning for wanting to have a separate series for the new season is to have a different "forum" Travis has already said that's secondary.

No one said anything about wanting a SEPARATE SERIES.

Isn't that what this whole thread is about? Maybe you don't realize that the only way to get a different "forum" is to have a new and seperate entry.

The MAIN GOAL is the desire to have MORE PEOPLE to discuss the show with (NOT LESS).

Because PRIOR to the last couple of days, things here at this forum had also SLOWED DOWN to a trickle.

So again, THE MAIN REASON one would like to have a 2017 forum is to INCREASE TRAFFIC so one has MORE (NOT LESS) people to discuss the show with.

And that's also been a complaint that others here have also repeatedly expressed about other forums where they also can't find enough people to discuss whatever other shows and films they like.

I don't think that's a valid complaint. You would have to show how a separate "forum" would attract more discussion. I just don't see it. Like I said before, if they can't realize that they can discuss the new series of episodes on the existing entry, then they have far greater problems and their comments probably aren't going to be very good anyway - we won't be missing out on anything.

@Invidia said:

And Where exactly did Travis say INCREASING TRAFFIC was SECONDARY?

@travisbell said:

Because if you think it's not worth talking about, then that also seems to indicate you have no interest in having an increase of TRAFFIC to this forum?

The database (content) comes first, always. Let's figure that out first.

Please stop yelling at me and others, it's very rude.

Again, please stop yelling at me.

You keep going around in circles, not reading or ignoring everyone's responses. I get the feeling you don't really want to discuss this matter just yell at people.

@Invidia said:

So when someone from IMDB comes here and doesn't find one here, they assume there ISN'T ONE and go ELSEWHERE looking for another place to DISCUSS the NEW SHOW.

As I said before, if they can't understand that they can discuss the show on the discussion section of the existing show then nothing of value will have been lost.

@Invidia said:

So the PROBLEM is the way YOU don't seem to be able to SEE THAT or UNDERSTAND it.

No the problem is that I've addressed that already but you ignored my response and continue to yell at me like some crazy person. I've put it above again so you can ignore it again and then yell at me some more.

@Invidia said:

And the FACT that DAVID LYNCH ... one of the CREATORS of the SHOW ... has also STATED that the NEW SHOW is NOT a CONTINUATION of the OLDER VERSIONS of the show also confirms the FACT that this should NOT be considered to be SEASON 3 of the show.

Saying it's "conceived it as a single 18-hour work" does not rule out the fact that it is indeed a continuation. As someone promoting the show, he's trying to get as many people as possible to watch it. By saying it's standalone he's saying you needn't have watched the previous season to watch this new season (which is BS by-the-way). That doesn't change the fact that Showtime is grouping it with the other seasons.

I've refuted your points, I'd appreciate it if you would at least read the ones I've made. Why does the Showtime webpage overview say "Twenty-five years later, the story continues"? Why did they name it "The Return" if it has nothing to do with the previous seasons?