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Hello everyone,

It's finally time to take a look at the genres we use and make some tweaks. This post might get a little lengthy but I'll try to cover what I know right now.

First, here's a list of the movie genres on TMDb:

TMDb

  • Action
  • Adventure
  • Animation
  • Comedy
  • Crime
  • Documentary
  • Drama
  • Family
  • Fantasy
  • Foreign
  • History
  • Horror
  • Music
  • Mystery
  • Romance
  • Science Fiction
  • TV movie
  • Thriller
  • War
  • Western

And if we wanted to compare this list to some other sources online...

Rotten Tomatoes

  • Action & Adventure
  • Adult
  • Animation
  • Anime & Manga
  • Art House & International
  • Classics
  • Comedy
  • Cult Movies
  • Documentary
  • Drama
  • Faith & Spirituality
  • Gay & Lesbian
  • Horror
  • Kids & Family
  • Musical & Performing Arts
  • Mystery & Suspense
  • Romance
  • Science Fiction & Fantasy
  • Special Interest
  • Sports & Fitness
  • Television
  • Western

IMDb

  • Action
  • Adventure
  • Animation
  • Biography
  • Comedy
  • Crime
  • Documentary
  • Drama
  • Family
  • Fantasy
  • Film-Noir
  • Game-Show
  • History
  • Horror
  • Music
  • Musical
  • Mystery
  • News
  • Reality-TV
  • Romance
  • Sci-Fi
  • Sport
  • Talk-Show
  • Thriller
  • War
  • Western

Amazon

  • Action & Adventure
  • African American Cinema
  • Animation
  • Anime
  • Boxed Sets
  • Classics
  • Comedy
  • Documentary
  • Drama
  • Educational
  • Exercise & Fitness
  • Faith & Spirituality
  • Fantasy
  • Foreign Language & International
  • Gay & Lesbian
  • Holiday & Seasonal
  • Horror
  • Indie & Art House
  • Kids & Family
  • Military & War
  • Music Videos & Concerts
  • Science Fiction
  • Special Interests
  • Sports

Onbviously, one of the things you might notice is that there are actually other genres in use on TMDb, but are not located in the above list. This is part of what we need to look at.

My initial proposal for TMDb's new set of genres is going to be the following:

  • Action
  • Adventure
  • Animation
  • Biography
  • Comedy
  • Crime
  • Documentary
  • Drama
  • Family
  • Fantasy
  • Film-Noir
  • Holiday
  • History
  • Horror
  • Musical
  • Music Videos & Concerts
  • Mystery
  • Romance
  • Science Fiction
  • Thriller
  • War
  • Western

Do you guys have anything else you think deserves to be on this list?

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For sure and I'm working on it every single day smiley

Edit: For a bit more clarity, I would classify this in my top 5 content features. These have not changed since January and are the next data features to complete. These are not in any specific order:

  • Universes
  • Multiple versions (3D, director's cut, extended, etc..)
  • Anime
  • Awards/trivia
  • Genres

@travisbell said:

For sure and I'm working on it every single day smiley

This is off topic, but I'm mentioning it here because this thread reminded me of a feature that would be extremely helpful - discussion search tools! I remember a terrific conversation I which someone suggested a way to differentiate between "horror" and "thriller" that actually works fairly well, I just can't find it now, but would like to A) give credit to the person who offered it B) continue the conversation, and C) refer others to it whenever the topic comes up (and it comes up not infrequently).

Yup, discussion searching is a useful feature for sure. It's been in my head for a long time. I have an open ticket for that here.

DRDMovieMusings, might any of the following be the specific discussion you're seeking? These results come up by typing in "horror" "thriller" in the Search the forums... search bar that's atop the Support forum screen:

https://www.themoviedb.org/talk/search?advanced_search=&query=%22horror%22+%22thriller%22&with_category=&with_status%5B%5D=closed&with_status%5B%5D=open

If you happen to be able to remember additional specific words (particularly anything that's unique, such as a movie title, actor's name, etc.) to include in the search bar, it'll improve your odds of finding the thread of interest.

@genplant29 said:

DRDMovieMusings, might any of the following be the specific discussion you're seeking? These results come up by typing in "horror" "thriller" in the Search the forums... search bar that's atop the Support forum screen:

https://www.themoviedb.org/talk/search?advanced_search=&query=%22horror%22+%22thriller%22&with_category=&with_status%5B%5D=closed&with_status%5B%5D=open

If you happen to be able to remember additional specific words (particularly anything that's unique, such as a movie title, actor's name, etc.) to include in the search bar, it'll improve your odds of finding the thread of interest.

Actually, I forgot that search bar across the top existed, thanks!

And, thanks to your help, I found the actual thread, https://www.themoviedb.org/talk/58f67490c3a368415e00203c, which didn't come up in your search but did when I added my username to your search terms (horror, thriller, drdmoviemusings).

Thanks again.

Edit: Notice also that this terrific conversation was in the General forum. Yes, I recognize that a few flies spoiled the ointment, but that forum was really handy for those general topics that simply did not fit into a specific movie, TV show, or actor, but were really a engaging, informative, and enjoyable part of my first experiences here at TMDb.

Just 2 changes:

Music Videos & Concerts to Music & Concerts

Science Fiction to Sci-Fi

Comparing

@4000dvds2many said:

When one is trying to search for musical films, it becomes nearly impossible because of the glut of entries for every concert or music video compilation that has ever existed. Plus, because of how generic a Music genre is, you get movies that have no business being there simply because they feature music in some minor way. Like "A Night at the Roxbury" or "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" or "Wayne's World." It's really frustrating to get those films in search results when you are really looking for "Hairspray" or "My Fair Lady." There should be two genres: Musicals & Music (Concerts/Live Performances/Music Videos)

just fyi, there is a way to easily search for musical films. Atm, this site uses a keyword, instead of a genre, to categories/keep track of musicals. See here: https://www.themoviedb.org/keyword/4344/movie.

@4000dvds2many said:

I know it actually has nothing to do with this site, but where it really becomes frustrating is in using Letterboxed, where I have made a list of my entire collection but can't filter by musicals. I just don't understand a system that doesn't even categorize, say, CATS under music AT ALL. That movie is nothing but music. But A Night at the Roxbury... ... ...

This site's conception of the genre "Music" is that: "...The "Music" genre should only be used for concerts, music documentaries and any films in which music is a key plot element.". (taken from the contribution bible: https://www.themoviedb.org/bible/movie/59f3b16d9251414f20000006#59f73d539251416e71000016)

The idea behind this I believe is that there is the idea that is argued that "musical" is not a genre- but "Music" is. A simplistic way to explain it might be that the "Music" genre is for movies/shows that are ABOUT music, while "musicals" (keyword) are movies/shows told with songs. With that distinction, musicals and the music genre are completely separate ideas and that a movie/show can very easily be one but not the other. If I'm not mistaken, in Cats, the plot or dialogue of the movie is displayed through songs but the content of the movie itself (the plot and dialogue) is not at all about or connected to music. Hence, it is a musical but not a Music film (not in the Music genre). If I'm wrong I probably need to rewatch the movie lol.

When The Movie Database also has entries for non-narrative avant-garde cinema like Arnulf Reiner [1960], it's absolutely buckwild to me that this site does not have any kind of "Experimental tag (or some other phrase) and that most of that stuff ends up sorted under "Documentary."

@tmdb24407783 said:

The idea behind this I believe is that there is the idea that is argued that "musical" is not a genre- but "Music" is. A simplistic way to explain it might be that the "Music" genre is for movies/shows that are ABOUT music, while "musicals" (keyword) are movies/shows told with songs. With that distinction, musicals and the music genre are completely separate ideas and that a movie/show can very easily be one but not the other.

That definition doesn't make sense. Musicals are clearly a genre; and there are many musicals about music (e.g., The Music Man), so they are not mutually exclusive categories.

@pt100 said:

@tmdb24407783 said:

The idea behind this I believe is that there is the idea that is argued that "musical" is not a genre- but "Music" is. A simplistic way to explain it might be that the "Music" genre is for movies/shows that are ABOUT music, while "musicals" (keyword) are movies/shows told with songs. With that distinction, musicals and the music genre are completely separate ideas and that a movie/show can very easily be one but not the other.

That definition doesn't make sense. Musicals are clearly a genre; and there are many musicals about music (e.g., The Music Man), so they are not mutually exclusive categories.

I didnt say they were mutually exclusive categories. I said they were completely separate ideas and that one can belong in one category and not the other (which isnt saying they cant belong to both). how does the definition not make sense? the meaning of "completely separate ideas" is the idea that a movie/show can be a musical but not music genre (and vice versa music genre but not a musical). its meaning is not that one can't be both things, its that they dont necessitate each other.

Im not sure about the argument that musicals should be deemed a genre on this site just because it is deemed one on imdb. I dont think the intention of this site is to just to do the same thing imdb is doing just cause.

edit: btw, I am definitely completely open to the idea that musicals should be considered a genre on this database- I think that can be perfectly reasonable, I'm just presenting the argument/case for not considering it as a genre- which is the current stance of this site (or so I think- definitely the case of the contribution bible at least).

@tmdb24407783 said:

@pt100 said:

@tmdb24407783 said:

The idea behind this I believe is that there is the idea that is argued that "musical" is not a genre- but "Music" is. A simplistic way to explain it might be that the "Music" genre is for movies/shows that are ABOUT music, while "musicals" (keyword) are movies/shows told with songs. With that distinction, musicals and the music genre are completely separate ideas and that a movie/show can very easily be one but not the other.

That definition doesn't make sense. Musicals are clearly a genre; and there are many musicals about music (e.g., The Music Man), so they are not mutually exclusive categories.

I didnt say they were mutually exclusive categories. I said they were completely separate ideas and that one can belong in one category and not the other (which isnt saying they cant belong to both). how does the definition not make sense? the meaning of "completely separate ideas" is the idea that a movie/show can be a musical but not music genre (and vice versa music genre but not a musical). its meaning is not that one can't be both things, its that they dont necessitate each other.

Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.

Im not sure about the argument that musicals should be deemed a genre on this site just because it is deemed one on imdb. I dont think the intention of this site is to just to do the same thing imdb is doing just cause.

Well, I have found from experience that the IMDb schema seems to make a lot of intuitive sense. And frankly, it makes a lot more sense to me that musicals are a genre, because they are so distinctive in their key characteristic, than it does to call music a genre. By that logic, almost anything can be a genre, even when it should more properly be called a subject area.

edit: btw, I am definitely completely open to the idea that musicals should be considered a genre on this database- I think that can be perfectly reasonable, I'm just presenting the argument/case for not considering it as a genre- which is the current stance of this site (or so I think- definitely the case of the contribution bible at least).

Yeah, well I think there are more than a few things about this site and the contribution bible that are not well thought out (and are thus constantly being changed/improved), so that's certainly no touchstone.

@pt100 said:

Yeah, well I think there are more than a few things about this site and the contribution bible that are not well thought out (and are thus constantly being changed/improved), so that's certainly no touchstone.

Curious, what are some of those things? The only issue I have is that a great number of the images on this site got removed without explanation.

@tmdb24407783 said:

@pt100 said:

Yeah, well I think there are more than a few things about this site and the contribution bible that are not well thought out (and are thus constantly being changed/improved), so that's certainly no touchstone.

Curious, what are some of those things? The only issue I have is that a great number of the images on this site got removed without explanation.

Really? Just review the many tickets and upgrades, some of which are many months behind schedule. I'm not complaining, because I know that Travis and the mods work very hard to improve the site, and w/limited/volunteer resources. But if you have been paying close attention to the support forums, and you have a good memory, you will know what I mean.

@pt100 said:

@tmdb24407783 said:

@pt100 said:

Yeah, well I think there are more than a few things about this site and the contribution bible that are not well thought out (and are thus constantly being changed/improved), so that's certainly no touchstone.

Curious, what are some of those things? The only issue I have is that a great number of the images on this site got removed without explanation.

Really? Just review the many tickets and upgrades, some of which are many months behind schedule. I'm not complaining, because I know that Travis and the mods work very hard to improve the site, and w/limited/volunteer resources. But if you have been paying close attention to the support forums, and you have a good memory, you will know what I mean.

I mean, theres lots of potential things being worked on, but overall Im fine with the way the site is (which is probably why, although I know there are lots of things people have wanted to change, I dont remember them). Most of the tickets for me just look like small improvements. So I was really asking what YOU are bothered by with the site.

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