Why aren’t the haters here yet?

@Haus_Xo said:

Meanwhile Kitty has to tour every country on the entire globe to just scrape up $50 million. 150+ shows and won't even gross $100 million for Witness: The Tank Tour. Always such a flop

You mean like how Gaga did for the Monsterball Tour with over 200+ shows and only grossing $227 million while Katy had 52 less shows for Prismatic Tour yet grossed $205 million. Had Katy whored herself out more like Gaga she would have outgrossed Monsterball but I guess when Gaga has hundreds of shows she's "slaying" but when Katy does it it's a desperate. You really can't make these delusions up.

Gaga has never had an era as successful as Teenage Dream and has no songs that have outsold Dark Horse. But keep holding onto your hags costumes since that's all you'll have left to remember her by after she rolls on down to Vegas to rot.

@PlasticPrada said:

Meanwhile Kitty has to tour every country on the entire globe to just scrape up $50 million. 150+ shows and won't even gross $100 million for Witness: The Tank Tour. Always such a flop

Who's talking about her Prism era? Her current era is a bomb. Yes, she may have had a hit worldwide, but in terms of both albums and touring she lost to Gaga big time. And even though Gaga didn't have a worldwide hit this era, she still had a hit stateside and that song sold more than Katy's stateside. Katy lost to Gaga in a lot of ways this era, that's just the truth, no excuses.

You mean like how Gaga did for the Monsterball Tour with over 200+ shows and only grossing $227 million while Katy had 52 less shows for Prismatic Tour yet grossed $205 million. Had Katy whored herself out more like Gaga she would have outgrossed Monsterball but I guess when Gaga has hundreds of shows she's "slaying" but when Katy does it it's a desperate. You really can't make these delusions up.

You could say the same about Gaga's BTW Ball since that tour had 98 dates and grossed $180+ million, while Katy's had 151 dates and only did like $15 million more. And no one says Katy is desperate...

Gaga has never had an era as successful as Teenage Dream and has no songs that have outsold Dark Horse. But keep holding onto your hags costumes since that's all you'll have left to remember her by after she rolls on down to Vegas to rot.

And Katy never had Gaga's peak. And since you're mixing the TD era with Dark Horse, which was from another era, then Katy never had album sales like Gaga's The Fame era and she never had a tour like Gaga's The Fame Monster. We could go on and on. FACT is, their current eras she's completely bombing while Gaga has managed to actually succeed in both albums and touring.

@mrjacs said:

@PlasticPrada said:

Meanwhile Kitty has to tour every country on the entire globe to just scrape up $50 million. 150+ shows and won't even gross $100 million for Witness: The Tank Tour. Always such a flop

Who's talking about her Prism era? Her current era is a bomb. Yes, she may have had a hit worldwide, but in terms of both albums and touring she lost to Gaga big time. And even though Gaga didn't have a worldwide hit this era, she still had a hit stateside and that song sold more than Katy's stateside. Katy lost to Gaga in a lot of ways this era, that's just the truth, no excuses.

You mean like how Gaga did for the Monsterball Tour with over 200+ shows and only grossing $227 million while Katy had 52 less shows for Prismatic Tour yet grossed $205 million. Had Katy whored herself out more like Gaga she would have outgrossed Monsterball but I guess when Gaga has hundreds of shows she's "slaying" but when Katy does it it's a desperate. You really can't make these delusions up.

You could say the same about Gaga's BTW Ball since that tour had 98 dates and grossed $180+ million, while Katy's had 151 dates and only did like $15 million more. And no one says Katy is desperate...

Gaga has never had an era as successful as Teenage Dream and has no songs that have outsold Dark Horse. But keep holding onto your hags costumes since that's all you'll have left to remember her by after she rolls on down to Vegas to rot.

And Katy never had Gaga's peak. And since you're mixing the TD era with Dark Horse, which was from another era, then Katy never had album sales like Gaga's The Fame era and she never had a tour like Gaga's The Fame Monster. We could go on and on. FACT is, their current eras she's completely bombing while Gaga has managed to actually succeed in both albums and touring.

Succeed in albums? Maybe for Selena Gomez, but for "the biggest pop star of the generation?" hmm.

But congrats about the tour! She obvi needed the SB, but ticket sales are ticket sales.

@KennBoy said:

Succeed in albums? Maybe for Selena Gomez, but for "the biggest pop star of the generation?" hmm.

Look. Joanne wasn't a monster hit, it was moderate. But she still managed to NOT decrease in one field especially and that's not a bad thing at all. Her career didn't plummet as many expected after ARTPOP. She's still a main pop girl and that's the most important factor going forwards, because that's how they need to target their next marketing strategy. I believe the worst that could happen for her career right now is that she maintains her current popularity. And that ain't half bad at all.

But congrats about the tour! She obvi needed the SB, but ticket sales are ticket sales.

Everyone needs something when they start flopping in order to have a comeback. There's not a single pop artist that had a comeback where you couldn't pinpoint it was because of this or that particular event that made people interested again. At least people are still interested.

@mrjacs said:

@KennBoy said:

Succeed in albums? Maybe for Selena Gomez, but for "the biggest pop star of the generation?" hmm.

Look. Joanne wasn't a monster hit, it was moderate. But she still managed to NOT decrease in one field especially and that's not a bad thing at all. Her career didn't plummet as many expected after ARTPOP. She's still a main pop girl and that's the most important factor going forwards, because that's how they need to target their next marketing strategy. I believe the worst that could happen for her career right now is that she maintains her current popularity. And that ain't half bad at all.

But congrats about the tour! She obvi needed the SB, but ticket sales are ticket sales.

Everyone needs something when they start flopping in order to have a comeback. There's not a single pop artist that had a comeback where you couldn't pinpoint it was because of this or that particular event that made people interested again. At least people are still interested.

Well that's because ARTPOP WAS the plummet. I'm personally HAPPY she didn't do worse than ARTPOP.

What did Britney need for her comeback? People just naturally stayed interested in her, I guess.

But regardless, like I said, a hit tour is a hit tour, and no one can dispute that. I just personally hope she DOESN'T stay in her current status. The album wasn't well received, everything else did mediocre. The most I hope next album is an actual quality album, I'm not talking about sales. You can't say the Joanne album fulfilled you as a fan.

@KennBoy said:

What did Britney need for her comeback? People just naturally stayed interested in her, I guess.

A completely different situation. Britney came back hard because she looked healthy, she finally released a good video, she was in shape again and all that. But in all honesty, Britney started to truly flop post-2011.

But regardless, like I said, a hit tour is a hit tour, and no one can dispute that. I just personally hope she DOESN'T stay in her current status. The album wasn't well received, everything else did mediocre. The most I hope next album is an actual quality album, I'm not talking about sales. You can't say the Joanne album fulfilled you as a fan.

No, it did not. What many forget, when comparing Gaga's era to, let's say, Katy's is that Joanne was a boring country-inspired album with few radio singles, while Witness was your typical Max Martin produced high-quality pop album. The fact that THAT flopped speaks volumes. Country is not a popular genre at all worldwide, which is why not even Taylor Swift can score a country hit anywhere but the US. I don't know what Gaga's team was thinking, but that entire image was a no-go around the world. Country-pop is local as f_ck.

Gaga needs to get back to pop music.

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said: So much for...."Everyone needs something when they start flopping in order to have a comeback. "

That went out the window fast.

What did Madonna need to make her comeback after Erotica? A new album....yep that did it.

What did Mariah need? A big hit song....yep WBT did it.

Gaga just needed the most televised event in the entire world to save her era and make it a mild success before quickly being forgotten again so congrats!

Oh stfu, you piece of obsessed trash. I didn't say Gaga had her comeback yet, I meant it was the START of a potential comeback. FYI, Madonna didn't truly have her 'comeback' until Evita and Ray of Light. As a Madonna stan, thought you'd know that. It was a build up.

Britney is a different situation. People weren't disgusted or tired of her. Mariah's comeback was due to that song alone. The lead single in that era was a flop. She had a Busta Rhymes song for a comeback on radio. That was her "event."

Beyonce had the Super Bowl after 4. Cher tried her best to make a video for MTV so she would be re-introduced to a whole new demographic, the young teenagers in the 80s.

Your problem is that you're clinging onto the Super Bowl as if Joanne was flop before that. It wasn't. The Super Bowl may have helped Million Reasons, but the album had already sold close to a million before the Super Bowl IN PURE SALES. Besides, the Super Bowl is really only boosting sales in the US. The effects it has overseas is minimal since nobody watches it.

Erotica and Bedtime Stories, then Evita and then Ray of Light. ARTPOP and Joanne, then ASIB and then LG6. It's a process.

Remember when Britney stans were the ones who said Britney was coming back every era?

And yes, Erotica was a flop for the times, however it is a phenomenal and innovative/influential album. If GaGa is gonna flop, can she at the very least make good music? I mean ARTPOP wishes it was as great as Erotica. I'm not quite sure where she lost her musical ear, but GaGa doesn't seem to have it anymore unfortunately.

Unless she thinks she's redeeming herself by releasing generic bullshit like "The Cure". All I hope for next era is GOOD MUSIC, flop or not. She hasn't delivered in quite some time and it's long overdue.

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

Not you pretending Jolene is anywhere near as big as Bedtime Stories! As already stated Take A Bow spent 7 weeks at #1 and Secret also charted better than Million Discounts. The delusion

You're BEYOND stupid. Of course Bedtime Stories is the same as Joanne. Bedtime Stories sold a little over 2 million copies at a time when most top acts sold 8-10 million copies (Mariah Carey, Celine Dion), just like Joanne sold 600k at a time when most top acts sell 2-3 million (Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift). Just because she had a #1 hit does NOT change the fact that the album wasn't a big hit.

Also, you yourself claimed artists have comebacks because of good songs. Well, Perfect Illusion wasn't a good song and was hated by her own fanbase, while Million Reasons is a generic pop country ballad that's not going to sell overseas. And it's a BALLAD by an artist known for uptempo dance tracks.

You really don't hold onto your initial statements very well, do you?

@mrjacs said:

@PlasticPrada said:

Meanwhile Kitty has to tour every country on the entire globe to just scrape up $50 million. 150+ shows and won't even gross $100 million for Witness: The Tank Tour. Always such a flop

Who's talking about her Prism era? Her current era is a bomb. Yes, she may have had a hit worldwide, but in terms of both albums and touring she lost to Gaga big time. And even though Gaga didn't have a worldwide hit this era, she still had a hit stateside and that song sold more than Katy's stateside. Katy lost to Gaga in a lot of ways this era, that's just the truth, no excuses.

You mean like how Gaga did for the Monsterball Tour with over 200+ shows and only grossing $227 million while Katy had 52 less shows for Prismatic Tour yet grossed $205 million. Had Katy whored herself out more like Gaga she would have outgrossed Monsterball but I guess when Gaga has hundreds of shows she's "slaying" but when Katy does it it's a desperate. You really can't make these delusions up.

You could say the same about Gaga's BTW Ball since that tour had 98 dates and grossed $180+ million, while Katy's had 151 dates and only did like $15 million more. And no one says Katy is desperate...

Gaga has never had an era as successful as Teenage Dream and has no songs that have outsold Dark Horse. But keep holding onto your hags costumes since that's all you'll have left to remember her by after she rolls on down to Vegas to rot.

And Katy never had Gaga's peak. And since you're mixing the TD era with Dark Horse, which was from another era, then Katy never had album sales like Gaga's The Fame era and she never had a tour like Gaga's The Fame Monster. We could go on and on. FACT is, their current eras she's completely bombing while Gaga has managed to actually succeed in both albums and touring.

Jacs why are you even defending that cretin? I mentioned Monsterball/Prismatic tour because Cherry's stupid ass is implying Katy is desperate to cash in on her tours by doing so many dates when Gaga has done the same thing.

And Gaga's peak was her DEBUT. Katy had a huge debut but managed to outdo herself each era. Katy's peak is not her debut, while Gaga's been on a decline since her debut. Witness is her only decline since Katy's debut and it only looks steep because she's had such smash hit eras prior. The fact is Gaga has always been a touring act so comparing her to Katy in that department is completely pointless. And Joanne was not doing well before the Superbowl so if she has a moderate hit album it's because of that, let's keep it real for once.