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Before I get talking about my concern; earlier today on my way to see Close Encounters of the Third Kind 40th Anniversary; I thought to myself; 1977...that was the same year Star Wars came out. I remember they were close in terms of release dates, but I don't remember it being that close. Star Wars (according to IMDB) came out on May 25th 1977, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out on December 14, 1977...so us as a movie going audience barely had seven months to absorb the kind of success (partially with science fiction films) Star Wars brought to the table. The fact Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out just less than seven months later really meant (at least to me) a dramatic change in the way special effects were going to be handled in these kind of movies for the foreseeable future. When Alien came out in June of 1979; the effects put onto that movie seemed to be a natural progression. Long story short...I've been astonished with how special effects have progressed through these years, and still look forward to the improvements special effects will hold in the future.

Ok; so before traveling to the theatre to see Close Encounters of the Third Kind 40th Anniversary...I did a quick read up on the technical aspect of the kind of behind the scenes work that was done to bring this movie to today's digital theatres. I was glad to learn they didn't use a Blu-ray for the source...as the source turned out to be a fresh 4k transfer. Of course I'm thinking "man; this is going to be great," and of course...the transfer would probably have been from the original negative or very close to 1st generation elements. Not only that; the theatre I chose to see it on is the biggest (regular standard film format in my area) screen possible...my local Harkins Cine Capri; with the screen size of 70' by 30'. Impressive!

Back when the movie was being recorded; the action was shot onto 35mm film using anamorphic lenses. I originally saw the movie in 1977 projected from a 35mm film print though a scope lens that unsqueezed the image giving it the nice wide (scope format) ratio of 2.39:1. (Yes; 2.39:1 not 2.35:1 as listed on IMDB. If you want more info on how that could be...just ask.)

At the start of the movie: I was blown away with the image quality and grain. First off; the grain...of course I expected lots of grain since the movie was shot onto 35mm film back in the day, and the screen I saw it on today was much larger than the screen I originally saw it on. Second; image quality. I purposely looked for the light flairs some of those older Panavision lenses naturally provided, but what I wasn't expecting was areas out of focus. Mostly I accepted these distortions since trying to film in very tight places with ultra wide Panavision lenses (particularly with lenses during that time period) can be less than ideal when recording action onto film. At the same time; there were scenes where the only area out of focus was along the top area of the screen; and other scenes when everything seemed to be clearly in focus, or at least what the film elements could provide. There were two or three scenes where optically (even during ideal lighting conditions...) resolution was lacking causing the image to look somewhat fuzzy and/or smeared. I then noticed a couple times where at the very bottom of the image looked like a small area of the subject was cropped off.

Before and during the time I watched the movie; I was hoping this version would be the original released in 1977, not the special edition which was released at a later date. Of course when the movie showed the aliens towards the end; it became very obvious to me I was watching the special edition...oh well. However, at the very end; I noticed the years 1977 and 1980 being listed, and that's when I started to figure out why the end quality on this 4k transfer looked the way it did.

I don't know for sure; but I'm pretty certain based from what I saw...the transfer was from the best possible elements of a 70mm blow up of the special edition created in 1980...meaning still; several generations away from the original negative elements. Since 70mm film has a ratio of 2.20:1, that would explain why I saw (at least two times) areas along the bottom cutting out a little bit of the scene or action. The fact the movie was originally processed in Metrocolor with at least as far as I know...no prints duped from Technicolor separations explains why the color looks somewhat dated. I will say however, this 40 year old anniversary edition even with it's Metrocolor process doesn't look too bad, but I can see some fading (or a very slight shift in color) in some scenes. If there were any Technicolor prints or separations available...there would be even less apparent grain.

Overall; it didn't look too bad. However; if the original negatives could have been used (or best possible source close to the original elements,) a 4k scan could have brilliantly captured what was originally shot back in the day, would have looked not as aged, and easily provided way better image quality than what I originally saw in 1977 when it first came out.

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Second; image quality. I purposely looked for the light flairs some of those older Panavision lenses naturally provided, but what I wasn't expecting was areas out of focus. Mostly I accepted these distortions since trying to film in very tight places with ultra wide Panavision lenses (particularly with lenses during that time period) can be less than ideal when recording action onto film.

My friend thought I was crazy when I mentioned this but I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. While I didn't think the film looked bad, it didn't compare to other screenings of classic films I attended. I wonder which master they used for the new 4K disc.

@FilmFan1983 said:

My friend thought I was crazy when I mentioned this but I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. While I didn't think the film looked bad, it didn't compare to other screenings of classic films I attended. I wonder which master they used for the new 4K disc.

Like my original guess above; I think it's coming from the special edition master (created sometime in 1980) wether it was recorded onto 35mm or 70mm film. There are however some benefits for theatrical presentation of a 35mm blowup to 70; (see link below) so I would think the same could be said for using a 70mm version of a movie for video release. In the end however, because of digital technology; it probably would be best to use the original 35mm master of the special edition (if one exists) simply because; even with the benefits of using a 35mm to 70mm print-up process; it's still one generation further away from the original elements.

A quick note; I do remember 70mm versions of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" being released; so it's easy to conclude there were probably 35mm masters and 70mm masters of the special edition of that same movie.

Probably the best example I can find on the internet describe what I'm talking about; there's an article here http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/35-70mm.htm that's titled "BREAKTHROUGH IN 35MM-TO 70MM PRINT-UP PROCESS." There; is a example image comparing the differences between the 35mm version and the 70mm version of the same image. It's hard to see, but once you start comparing the image; you will be able to make out the areas cut off on the top and bottom on the 70mm print when compared to how it was originally shot on the 35mm film format. This is why I think a 70mm source print was used for this 40th anniversary release presented digitally in theatres and possibly the same being used for the new Blu-ray.

In any case to answer your question; I'm under the impression we did see the results of that master I just talked about...so I'm not impressed at all, and therefore; I don't think we should care too much because at least to me; if there's going to be a proper celebration of the movie; the original version should be used (as released in 1977) using the best elements (most likely the original negative...if it's in good shape) with a 6k (or higher) scan; including fixing and touching up any and all flaws created over time would be the only version we can really care about. Till then; I'm simply not interested in adding something like we recently saw at the theatre to my Blu-ray collection.

I don't belive the flaws and other issues we recently saw during the theatrical release of the 40th anniversary of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" are on the original negatives. But who knows what condition those are in, and what it would cost for a truly full pledged restoration of the movie would cost. Chances are the cost probably would not be recouped from their investment of such a restoration like that.

So in the end; this is what we have.

By the way, I too have seen a few older films recently at the movie theatre. In the case of Gene Wilder's passing; "Blazing Saddles" (1974,) "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory" (1971,) and "Young Frankenstein" (1974) were shown in local theatres. Blazing Saddles' image quality was really bad, Willy Wonda & the Chocolate Factory" faired somewhat better (both by the way looking like they were sourced from a Blu-ray.) Young Frankenstein was a totally different animal. It was that title Mel Brooks had been planning to show a good while in advance (even before Gene's passing;) so there was time to get proper copies to cinemas. The resulting quality was gorgeous, and I'm sure better than how it was originally presented in 1974 when it first came out.

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