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Prometheus is one of the greatest Sci-Fi movie because primarily its a Concept-Rich movie. It expanded the Alien universe & explored many ideas on several scales and delivered an intriguing adventure drama more than a thriller/horror action. Prometheus was full of these alluring things:

A. The Visuals and the virtual experience; as Ridley Scott said "the cast could have slept and effectively "lived" on the Prometheus interior set during initial filming, this didn't happen due to health and safety precautions.", we all know the ship interiors and visuals of the movie were mesmerizing. This alone let the audience right into the crews' shoes. Ofcourse 'Alien' also gave a similar experience.

B. David. Unlike a unidimensional character, Scott carved a complex robot with vibrant emotions & actions. From bearing curiosity of child to nobility towards his master to cunningness towards someone who he dislikes. Fassbender pulled it off such a way that with his limited moves of facial expressions, one can readily relate to his emotions.

C. Imaginative futurist concepts which we never seen before: Prometheus spaceship, Lifeboat, Weyland's hologram recording, the Medpod, Pup scanners, Escape pods, Rovers etc. all of them beautifully designed. All of these took the audience even closer to the experience and adventure.

D. Layered characters & story. From Vickers' greed of taking over the company, her disdain from not being a wishful daughter, David & Vickers' sibling rivalry to Shaw and Holloway's different outlook on faith and god etc. All of this in an alien movie! Hats off to Scott!

The events of the story were consequences from the clash of different agendas of the characters. Vickers didn't recruit the best of the scientists (except a great Pilot, the decision which ultimately backfired at the end to her own self) because she wasn't wholeheartedly supporting her father's mission, a demanding Weyland, Fifield who was only there for money and was more of a puppet of Vickers and David who deviced his own rules to explore the place for his curiosity as well as reaching Weyland's goal.

You may term it whatever you want, may be a projection of human hubris or neo-norisque cynical archetypes, Prometheus had more memorable & unique characters than any other Alien movies.

E. Space Jockey & the Juggernaut. None of the sequels ever tried to explore the Space jockey world. All they did was deal with Xenomorphs and Xenomorphs only.

We all know that the scene with David exploring the hologram of engineer's navigation system itself is one wonderful moment of the movie. This is were we should realize why Scott sweep away the Xenos from the script and filled it with such alluring moments with only subtle reference to Alien like the Hammerpede, a very well designed off-wordly creature - just a simple worm mutated with Xeno DNA.

F. The Med-pod scene. Nuff said!

G. Rolling spaceship scene

H. The whole biological lifecycle madness resulting from the dangerous black goo mutant accelerant. David spiking Holloway --> Holloway's sperm mutated ---> Having sex with Shaw ----> Shaw conceiving a tribolite ---> Engineer getting facehugged ----> Chestburst of a deacon, an end with the iconic reference to Alien.

It also expands Alien universe to many consequences & possibilities pushing the overplayed classical Xenomorph as just one of the many diversions.

I. The mysteries and questions to discuss & ponder upon. The movie & its ambiguity has triggered lot of discussions which even today people engage in.

Unlike 2001: A Space Odyssey which ends with a big answer (next step of human evolution), Prometheus unapologetically ends with a big question.

People who dislike it are labelling it as an 'incoherent mess' just because they didn't get answers or are the ones who also happen to not have paid attention to so many things (for instance, Vickers and Shaw turning a sharp 90 degree turn at one moment and not just running in straight line) or are downright stupid (such as expecting the 2094 medicines to today's standards)

J. Finally, the movie's ability to render better repeat-viewing experience.

With Prometheus, Scott was getting away from Xenomorphs, a creature which has been overplayed as hell.

Alien: Covenant will be the last film with the classical Xenomorph in it. A:C will also explore other creatures & possibilities. The classic Xeno will only be there for fan service. And THEN, for the sequels, Scott would go completely in the new direction hence stopping the Xeno fan service once and for all. A smart move.

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@The_Foxcatcher 100 I liked Prometheus. Some of the plot went right over my head, but all in all I enjoyed it. Charlize Theron's character was such a mean b***h. I was rather upset when she didn't die until the last five minutes of the film.

I also thought that the opening sequence was so beautiful! I loved all the different shades of blue and the music was cool.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night.

@The_Foxcatcher said:

I. The mysteries and questions to discuss & ponder upon. The movie & its ambiguity has triggered lot of discussions which even today people engage in.

I read the following on an online discussion...down in the comments section...

NigeJan-09-2017 12:33 AM

Something bad ass enough to kick the doors in, something fastidious enough to remove all the Engineer remains, something strange and hardy enough to leave green "goo" with cells still viable after 2000 years, something confident enough not to worry about a rampaging Deacon on the loose...sounds a bit like a Predator to me.

In terms of mysteries and questions to discuss and ponder, the movie's ambiguity, what do you think of this angle?

I enjoyed it when I first saw it but agreed with critics that some of it was just downright stupid. Why would they have found that snake creature cute and then stand there for it to kill them? Seemed rather stupid and also a bit of a cliche.

@intothenightalone said:

I enjoyed it when I first saw it but agreed with critics that some of it was just downright stupid. Why would they have found that snake creature cute and then stand there for it to kill them? Seemed rather stupid and also a bit of a cliche.

Yep, so annoying. Almost as annoying as every Alien movie since Alien in which someone stares, mesmerized, into an egg, just around the time - coincidence of coincidences - it's opening...they don't put a net over it, they don't hold a sharp sword over it, they won't wear any facial protection...nah, movie after movie, they get face-hugged.

yeah, just saw the latest and thought 'no oxygen precautions on this new planet?'

Seriously? They did that again? It sounds like if I have any common sense (and I'm pretty sure I do), I'll wait to see this when it comes out on Redbox.

------Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night-------

@intothenightalone said:

yeah, just saw the latest and thought 'no oxygen precautions on this new planet?'

There are still apparently quite a few "haven't ANY of you guys ever seen a horror movie before?!!!" moments in the film. I'm still amazed that screenwriters can't write a decent movie without falling back on horror tropes that movies like Cabin in the Woods completely skewered.

@AlienFanatic: Roger that.

@AlienFanatic said:

@intothenightalone said:

yeah, just saw the latest and thought 'no oxygen precautions on this new planet?'

There are still apparently quite a few "haven't ANY of you guys ever seen a horror movie before?!!!" moments in the film. I'm still amazed that screenwriters can't write a decent movie without falling back on horror tropes that movies like Cabin in the Woods completely skewered.

Only felt save when Ellen Ripley was around, in any Alien movie. Herself or cloned don't care. Everyone else was like redshirt and sooner or later did TERRIBLE mistakes. The only woman you can trust in space, forget men, androids, computers. Never trust computers. Sure it let's me hit enter to post these lines but I know for SURE it has...PLANS!

@wreckage3001 : You're right about Ripley. She is beyond awesome! However, I really liked Bishop. And of course it doesn't hurt that I met the actor who played him, Lance Hendriksen (a very nice guy) in 2000.

BTW, could you please do me a favor and explain the ending of the fourth Alien movie to me? I've seen the movie and read the Synopsis on IMDb, but I couldn't figure out whether the Earth Ripley sees is basically destroyed or not.

-------Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night-----

@PhelpsFan said:

BTW, could you please do me a favor and explain the ending of the fourth Alien movie to me? I've seen the movie and read the Synopsis on IMDb, but I couldn't figure out whether the Earth Ripley sees is basically destroyed or not.

It's actually something you can look up fairly readily online. There's a timeline for the events, but it gets silly geeky. It's almost embarrassing to read. In short, the Auriga crashes into Earth, devastating a large portion of it. The Company, which had gone bankrupt and had been bought out by Walmart--yes, you heard me right--had been waiting in the wings and sowing the seeds to overthrow the United Systems Military, which ran Earth at the time. Once the Auriga crashed and killed millions, the USM was deposed and The Company re-formed and became its big, bad self again.

If you watch the Director's Cut of Alien: Resurrection, they actually tack on a sequence where Ripley and Call are sitting on a ruined Earth near Paris contemplating what lies ahead for themselves. It's not a very good scene, in my opinion, but it's clear they're on Earth. I supposed Jeunet, who is French, couldn't resist tossing it into the film.

IMO, every one of Jeunet's Director's Cut scenes should have remained cut. His humor is tonally wrong for the film and isn't the least bit funny. Watch the opening sequence with the bug and you'll get my drift. The guy should never direct a comedy.

@AlienFanatic: Thanks for the reply. It made me smile, and having worked at Walmart a very long time ago, I believe you.

------Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night-------

I love this movie. It's one of my favorite Sci-Fi films in this decade. Yes, I expected more but sometimes we expect tooooooooo much

@IrinaOma grinning You're right about fans expecting too much. After Prometheus I was really hoping that the next film to be the further adventures of Elizabeth and David exploring strange new.... er, sorry about that. Well, them trying to find out why the Engineers decided to kill humanity. But, I guess Ridley Scott had other ideas.

BTW: two questions. Is the picture in your avatar Dawn from Buffy The Vampire Slayer? And have you seen Prometheus Unchained yet? It's finally come to Redbox and I'm wondering if it's worth the $1.50 per day to rent.

@intothenightalone wink When you mentioned the character of Fifield (Mr. Isn't the snake cute!), I found out that Sean Harris was also in Mission Impossible Rouge Nation. He played the villian, and when I saw the film in the theater, he mumbled his lines so badly that I couldn't understand what he was saying. I couldn't until I got the DVD and put on the English subtitles option. Is it me, or is Mr. Harris not good at picking parts?

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