@mechajutaro said:

How should Marvel approach doing this?

Recognizing that there's no market for this particular property, and remembering: Not even Jessica Alba in her underwear could get audiences into seats, when FF tried using her as bait. They'd be better off throwing their energies into a Marvel Max-style adaptation of Nick Fury, with Idris Elba in the title role as a much younger version of the character. Seeing as he's not about to play Bond anytime soon, the producers shouldn't have too much trouble hooking his interest

Did you know that in an earlier phase of the Marvel Studios plan, they intended to do a feature film focusing on Fury? I suppose that his part in Captain Marvel was adequate enough, because they canned that one (I'm pretty sure).

Idris Elba is now too old looking to play a "much younger" version of anyone.

@mechajutaro said:

@Damienracer said:

@mechajutaro said:

How should Marvel approach doing this?

Recognizing that there's no market for this particular property, and remembering: Not even Jessica Alba in her underwear could get audiences into seats, when FF tried using her as bait. They'd be better off throwing their energies into a Marvel Max-style adaptation of Nick Fury, with Idris Elba in the title role as a much younger version of the character. Seeing as he's not about to play Bond anytime soon, the producers shouldn't have too much trouble hooking his interest

There is a market for the property and I think a multi billion dollar company like Marvel would know better than whatever the hell you are how to resurrect the fantastic four and as for your Elba Fury fancast... It's adorable.

"Resurrect" assumes that this franchise ever had life in it to begin with. Marvel could always cast an unknown to play Nick Fury also. That'd be pretty cool

I thought that the first film with Ioan Gruffudd and Alba did well at the box office. It was the second one, which you referenced about having Alba in her underwear, that (I think) didn't perform so greatly.

@mechajutaro said:

I believe the first one(which I never saw)did moderately well at the box office, while the second(didn't see this one either. I'll take your word for it, that this is the one in which JA stripped down to her underwear)was a disappointment. This franchise hasn't proved bankable, despite numerous attempts to bring in audiences. Why Marvel continues to try and make this happen, when they've got s-itloads of other properties to develop remains a mystery

Maybe I need to be schooled as to what makes a film "bankable"..... but if you check out the first Tim Story film's page on this site, you'll see that its budget's listed as $100 million. Its revenue's listed as $333,535,934. Now that's over 3 times the amount of the film's budget. I dunno - this thread has taken on a very, very negative overtone, but I just felt like stating that. Maybe I need to be schooled.

IMO, if anything, the franchise has suffered from overkill -- too many films, in too little time.

@mechajutaro said:

I believe the first one(which I never saw)did moderately well at the box office, while the second(didn't see this one either. I'll take your word for it, that this is the one in which JA stripped down to her underwear)was a disappointment. This franchise hasn't proved bankable, despite numerous attempts to bring in audiences. Why Marvel continues to try and make this happen, when they've got s-itloads of other properties to develop remains a mystery

Actually, the character Sue Storm gets nude in both movies... I had to jog my memories of them. In the first one, she's trying to get away from some nosy, aggressive people, and she undresses, turning invisible, and in the 2nd one, she gets her brother Johnny's ability to "flame on," accidentally burns all of her clothing off, and flies around the Baxter Building, naked as a jaybird.

You don't see anything, really; I believe Alba's vehemently against doing nude scenes as an actress.

@CelluloidFan said:

@mechajutaro said:

I believe the first one(which I never saw)did moderately well at the box office, while the second(didn't see this one either. I'll take your word for it, that this is the one in which JA stripped down to her underwear)was a disappointment. This franchise hasn't proved bankable, despite numerous attempts to bring in audiences. Why Marvel continues to try and make this happen, when they've got s-itloads of other properties to develop remains a mystery

Maybe I need to be schooled as to what makes a film "bankable"..... but if you check out the first Tim Story film's page on this site, you'll see that its budget's listed as $100 million. Its revenue's listed as $333,535,934. Now that's over 3 times the amount of the film's budget. I dunno - this thread has taken on a very, very negative overtone, but I just felt like stating that. Maybe I need to be schooled.

IMO, if anything, the franchise has suffered from overkill -- too many films, in too little time.

A film generally just have to make at least a 2x ROI to not be considered a flop. The first two FF films both did that, the first one doing more so. People tend to forget with other Marvel films high box office numbers, they make only 3-4x ROI themselves. So by that standard that the first two FF films were moderate to good successes:

• Fantastic Four with a reported budget of $100,000,000 made: $154,696,080 (Domestic), $333,535,934 (World Wide) = 3.3x ROI
• Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer with a reported budget of $130,000,000 made: $131,921,738 (Domestic), $301,913,131 = 2.3x ROI

As for the third FF film:

• Fan4stic with a reported budget of $120,000,000 made: $56,117,548 (Domestic), $167,882,881 (World Wide) = 1.3x ROI

Yeah...that one flopped...eek. 😫

As for what they should do for the next film, don't cast both John Krasinski and Emily Blunt like the fan boys have been clamoring for. It's a huge mistake to cast a RL couple for something you want to be a franchise, since if anything goes wrong with their relationship the franchise would be pretty screwed.

@Innovator said:

As for what they should do for the next film, don't cast both John Krasinski and Emily Blunt like the fan boys have been clamoring for. It's a huge mistake to cast a RL couple for something you want to be a franchise, since if anything goes wrong with their relationship the franchise would be pretty screwed.

Some people refer to that activity as "sh!tting where you eat."

@CelluloidFan said:

This is exciting. Why not have the FF face Annihilus in the Negative Zone? Really go all-out with the sci-fi aspects of it, which is what I liked so much about the books.... Cast John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic that is what I would if I was Marvel. He is meant for that role.

@Username2023 said:

@CelluloidFan said:

This is exciting. Why not have the FF face Annihilus in the Negative Zone? Really go all-out with the sci-fi aspects of it, which is what I liked so much about the books.... Cast John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic that is what I would if I was Marvel. He is meant for that role.

Amusing.

@Damienracer said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@Username2023 said:

@CelluloidFan said:

This is exciting. Why not have the FF face Annihilus in the Negative Zone? Really go all-out with the sci-fi aspects of it, which is what I liked so much about the books.... Cast John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic that is what I would if I was Marvel. He is meant for that role.

Amusing.

Why?

Ha-ha. I see there is nothing quoted before my response of "Amusing" up there. Looking back on the thread, I have no memory of the context for my statement and cannot defend it....