@DaMan wrote:

Item: Life Itself
Type of Problem: Incorrect_content

Thanks for your report!

Extra Details: Since it seems we are back to locking without checking?

I watched the movie yesterday and added all data from the official credits. I still have to check lots of data; there are always many mistakes when I add huge amounts of credits. So, let's investigate your points:

What is "17-28 Black"? listed as a production company.

Screenshot from the end credits
Example of a press article that mentions the company
Company page -> it's the company of director/writer/producer Dan Fogelman

And how was this co-produced in Spain?
Guess maybe ES is spoken, bu what source says co-pro Spain?

Screenshot from the end credits
The movie is produced "in association with" Nostromo Pictures - screenshot
The credits list a huge "Spain Unit", and yes, almost half the movie is in Spanish language.

And I'm just asking -> did you reorder the cast list for the movie according to available images here:

https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/446696-life-itself/cast

If yes -> why do you do that? Please stop. It always takes lots of time for me to order the cast according to the official credits, and that's what is recommended in the bible. Ordering the cast because a picture is available is not recommended!

Thought we were limiting the number of prod companies? And not clarifying same name in various countries? And shouldn't that include the word Production at the end? Yes since Nostromo is Spain only I fixed it to state Spain in TMDB.
You do realize any filming in other country has a unit there, but not necessarily run by a local prod company.
And I noticed your 300 edits. I started this ran to store and upon return BOOM! Your an animal!
Oh and since I got you you realize that usually a poster with an alt FR title is not FR, but FR Canadian? So create FR-ca and add title there.
Thanks

That is not what I read.
"should not be sorted by credit order, order of appearance or in alphabetical order"
"recommend using the credits order " Plus who can tell if ALL are listed?
So you expect someone to watch it and order in that order? RECOMMENDATION!
They nuked my spare account, which was mainly used for downvoting b/w profile pics. Some are living in the fifties or feel it is stylistic.
And it appears mod hates my profile pics so I am not uploading them.
I sort for TMDB visual purposes. Missing, b/w, etc at bottom, names at top. Guess uncredited at bottom too.
Thanks

@DaMan wrote:

Thought we were limiting the number of prod companies?

All 4 production companies are officially credited. By what criteria do you want to limit them?

And not clarifying same name in various countries?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are referring to.

And shouldn't that include the word Production at the end? Yes since Nostromo is Spain only I fixed it to state Spain in TMDB.

Cool. I added Barcelona and locked all fields.

You do realize any filming in other country has a unit there, but not necessarily run by a local prod company.

That's true. Bad argument.

And I noticed your 300 edits. I started this ran to store and upon return BOOM! Your an animal!

The even harder work is to check every single person I added for duplicate and further information -> it takes so much more time and it's dull after hours ... I often give up in the middle. So, no animal ... hm ... maybe a cat.

Oh and since I got you you realize that usually a poster with an alt FR title is not FR, but FR Canadian? So create FR-ca and add title there.

I don't understand what you mean - and I don't speak French. I only cropped a poster from someone else and uploaded it again -> this one:

https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/b3QDdOjjiKeQcLujhCxSIpLFbRS.jpg

That title is FR CA?

Plus doesn't a movies credit vary? Sometimes alpha / sometimes appearance / sometimes both?

@DaMan wrote:

That is not what I read.
"should not be sorted by credit order, order of appearance or in alphabetical order"

It specifically says MAIN cast! Not entire cast. Often times, the main cast can be re-ordered because more prominent actresses/actors with smaller roles are credited later in the main cast. For example, here, Annette Bening and Antonio Banderas were credited as last persons of the main cast, but they can be ordered more prominently. But it's different with people who only have small roles - in this case, Samuel L. Jackson. He has only small screen time at the start, it's more like a cameo. He's not part of the main cast and shouldn't be more prominent.

"recommend using the credits order " Plus who can tell if ALL are listed?

I can tell. If they are not listed, I have to add (uncredited) to the name - and list them at the end.

So you expect someone to watch it and order in that order? RECOMMENDATION!

Well, I wish people would do this, but I don't expect other people to do this. But sorting them according to available profile pics, like you do, is completely unacceptable. Because people can add new pics all the time - I do this daily. Your criteria "available image" is wrong - please don't sort people according to this anymore!

They nuked my spare account, which was mainly used for downvoting b/w profile pics. Some are living in the fifties or feel it is stylistic.

Well, it's not allowed to have more than 1 account. These are the rules.

And it appears mod hates my profile pics so I am not uploading them.

If the quality is good enough, we usually don't remove pics. I'm not an image expert, though ...

I sort for TMDB visual purposes. Missing, b/w, etc at bottom, names at top. Guess uncredited at bottom too.

Please don't anymore! The criteria is bad; it has nothing to do with the specific content and gives a wrong impression about the content. It's still a movie database, not a picture-of-people-who-work-in-movies database. I hope you understand.

Plus doesn't a movies credit vary? Sometimes alpha / sometimes appearance / sometimes both?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. But I'm also very tired, so ...

Not limited by me, by mod/ TMDB. Pre-bible they did a cleanup. Removing one offs and combining / eliminating same names in other countries and sometimes in same country. They followed imdb at time, "Name (1)". The country helps, but mod told me "pick first match on list of suggestions". I guess mod fixes it later. Also limiting Genre. Not me.
I also only speak EN. But I'd say 90% of the time if you find a Poster with FR different than FR title it is not an "alternate title". It is Canadian/FR. So you can add FR-ca and add it as translated. ES and MX are that way as is PT and PT-br.

@DaMan wrote:

Not limited by me, by mod/ TMDB. Pre-bible they did a cleanup. Removing one offs and combining / eliminating same names in other countries and sometimes in same country. They followed imdb at time, "Name (1)". The country helps, but mod told me "pick first match on list of suggestions". I guess mod fixes it later. Also limiting Genre. Not me.

I'm not an expert for production companies and genres, but if we limit the number, there has to be a good reason for this. I remember that we don't want distributors added, and companies who only present movies/shows. But these 4 companies all seem genuine production companies and they're officially credited. I can't see any reason to limit them to a smaller number.

I also only speak EN. But I'd say 90% of the time if you find a Poster with FR different than FR title it is not an "alternate title". It is Canadian/FR. So you can add FR-ca and add it as translated. ES and MX are that way as is PT and PT-br.

Ah, okay, now I understand what you mean. Honestly, I didn't notice the different French titles on these 2 posters -> I missed this entirely. I guess I should take a timeout and sleep.

Do not understand sorry. If you are not an editor you (and media center) use it to decide on watchability. No names at the top serves no purpose.
But if names are on top...Oh it has this person I like or this person I hate. Believe studios do same with posters.
And one login is only true for non mods. And I have one that hates me, always deleted my account. So yes my images get deleted even if no better are available. And personally I do not see the problem. But mods I respect have indicated that my images suck. And I guess since most movies are not in correct a/r and include black bars... we must edit 1080 to 720 and so fourth and NEVER use a 720 bdrop unless edited from 1080).
You know, I am not going to buy a movie, flip a coin as to alpha or appearance and sort by that method after checking existing order is already in that order and if alpha or appearance was chosen. I have realized they are getting sorted constantly and it is not that difficult to move one up as profile image becomes available.

I was told image sizes is a non-issue. But DB size is very much an issue. And that is why a cleanup. Keywords, production cos, genres...

I will watch for your work and avoid resorting what you have already sorted.
Thanks!

I will ignore the sort function as requested.
Thank you

@DaMan:

I'm sorry for not replying earlier to you -> I wanted to finish some editing and got carried away. I wish to reply to the issue of sorting cast members very shortly:

You know, I am not going to buy a movie, flip a coin as to alpha or appearance and sort by that method after checking existing order is already in that order and if alpha or appearance was chosen. I have realized they are getting sorted constantly and it is not that difficult to move one up as profile image becomes available.

I will watch for your work and avoid resorting what you have already sorted.

I will ignore the sort function as requested.

I did not really request that you stop sorting cast members -> you can still do that! But please don't sort cast members by the criteria of "picture available" -> that's just wrong. If a pic is available or not is something that has nothing to do with the movie - it completely depends on the users of TMDb to provide pictures to people. TMDb, as a database, wants to represent any movie or show as correct as possible, based on the data of the movie. That's why we recommend ordering the (minor) cast members according to the official credits. We do allow certain exceptions for the main cast for the reasons you mentioned above - but all this not according to the criteria of "picture available". If you can't use the original credits to order cast members, you can use the billing block on posters, or you can use official websites of a movie/film, or you can use electronic press kits -> those often list the entire credits.

I am aware of the fact that users constantly re-order cast lists for whatever reason - I wish there was a possibility to lock the order once it's sorted correctly. Often, people copy the order from IMDb, which is not a good idea, since IMDb is not always correct and does have the same problem; kind of. They have the possibility to lock cast lists, but they don't do it for all entries - because that's sooooo much work. That's why I always try to find an official source or I look up the original credits.

By the way, you were correct that La vie en soi is the French Canadian title of this movie!

In my opinion (which is not worth much) it's an effort in futility. Now maybe one day TB would add some runtime sorts (none/alpha/appearance). Alpha is easy (if we can decide on when to allow nicks/1names) and for appearance order add a box in edit mode that a number can be added to denote order of appearance. However people are going to sort by preference (see the faux titles) to make it look good in their media center (I assume this is why b/w profile pics). Whats next b/w posters?
I like when my media center and TMDB has profile pics (and they are in COLOR! can't believe this even has to be said) at the top and esp. top 5 since the ones without probably never will. And do not really care about alpha or appearance.
I am good, very little sorting, just hope TMDB will not go completely b/w.