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This movie suffers from the expressionless passionless acting of Michael Pena in the lead role. It starts off OK, but pretty soon degenerates into a blow em up and bomb em scenario which I find boring. I guessed the alien thing pretty much straight away so no surprises there. The usual retarded child character got on my nerves - I mean braving death for a soft toy is a bit ridiculous - and would she really be transfixed with terror by a space ship after telling an alien face to face "I am not afraid of your shadow"? Quite what she meant I am still mulling over. The usual "make people think" debate over synthetics is explored - why any idiot would create a race stronger than a human without a suicide button I have no idea but scientists are a pretty stupid bunch of people in this regard it seems. Quite why troops were needed on the ground is a mystery to me - given their fire power they could have annihilated all existence on earth from the air - but no - "an underground headquarters" will never be found as long as you blow up a bridge behind you it seems. One question that intrigues me - how can synthetics forget they are synthetics when they don't need to eat or drink or go to the toilet or copulate or have babies? Surely there is a clue in there somewhere?

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Pretty sure all these questions are pointless as it seems that the writer of this movie was the retarded child shown in the movie. The whole point was to trick you into the twist, without really thinking about all the plot holes and the story logic. Netflix should really start re-evaluating their creative decisions and the way they approve productions, up until now they keep spewing only garbage when it comes to sci-fi.

Sh!t, apparently this movie was dumped on Netflix by Universal once they saw it and understood it's a piece of sh!t. And Netflix don't care, they just need new content all the time, preferably with cool posters.

I absolutely loved it. The children's fear and screaming gave extra sense of terror and death. Then I'm a parent myself and that actually makes a difference sometimes. The twist was geniously played out, the whole AI world was believable and explored in a different way. The movie had a darkness around it that I love and it is hard not to think back about the details after the movie. Such as the doctor that he went to but skipped. That was of course some sorts of center for erasing the memory more properly.

The moral questions it raises are also great the way they are expressed and worth thinking about in the days where we are closing in on the possibility of a general AI.

At the point the spark ignites, who are we to rule over when its self aware, has feelings and is capable of everything we are? We must formulate our standing of this in every aspect before we proceed.

Way to go Netflix!

I just got done watching it. And like another Netflix Movie "Titan". It has an interesting concept. But its just not very well executed. I think if it had a better script and budget. It could have been a lot like 2016's Arrival. Overall its O.k. I can see why some might like it.

@D-magic said:

The whole point was to trick you into the twist, without really thinking about all the plot holes and the story logic.

Absolutely spot on! Someone came up with idea of the twist and then wrote the rest of the entire plot on the back of a fag packet.

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

@D-magic said:

The whole point was to trick you into the twist, without really thinking about all the plot holes and the story logic.

Absolutely spot on! Someone came up with idea of the twist and then wrote the rest of the entire plot on the back of a fag packet.

What plot holes and what was missing in the logic more specifically? I think it was pretty well thought through.

How about this (spoilers): When the soldier opens the wife to reveal her synthetic insides, Peter seems shocked as he was not expecting her to be a synthetic. Here is a question - why would he be surprised? What did he expect and why? Did he thought they are humans and the reveal they are not is actually a surprise to him? Why would he think they are human? What gave them that idea? In all their existence for so many years, did they ever know what's inside of them? Did any synthetic got injure? Did they have sex? Do they know how their own anatomy works? And if they are oblivious to this, maybe because they are not interested since everything is always fine with them, then why did he even expect anything to be surprised?

And what about their whole society and understanding of the world? Did they think they are humans? The kids didn't grow up and stayed same age, did they think this is how it is? How did they explain it to themselves? I mean, they did show a complex thinking and emotions, they had work, family and friends, they were social and also private. They all show a complex level of psychology and self identity. But despite that they do not think about their world, they don't have rational conclusions about who they are?

And how exactly did they push humans off the planet in the first place? Looks like humans far more advanced in technology, even in exile on Mars they could develop an invasion to Earth and win this time. And they couldn't do it before that?

The entire situation doesn't make any sense and was meant to show only the moment of the twist so the viewer will realize they were not human and increase that effect by cheap manipulations.

@strangebedfellows said:

One question that intrigues me - how can synthetics forget they are synthetics when they don't need to eat or drink or go to the toilet or copulate or have babies? Surely there is a clue in there somewhere?

I believe it was mentioned by the space marine that the Synths overthrew the humans fifty years before. At what point did they shuffle into the clinic for all the fake family memories? Did they really exist in stasis for decades without aging, eating, shitting, bleeding from a paper cut ???

Good premise, terrible execution.

@volkstraum said:

@strangebedfellows said:

One question that intrigues me - how can synthetics forget they are synthetics when they don't need to eat or drink or go to the toilet or copulate or have babies? Surely there is a clue in there somewhere?

I believe it was mentioned by the space marine that the Synths overthrew the humans fifty years before. At what point did they shuffle into the clinic for all the fake family memories? Did they really exist in stasis for decades without aging, eating, shitting, bleeding from a paper cut ???

Good premise, terrible execution.

I agree with all the negative thoughts in this thread. That said, one thing I wanted to mention was the stupid stuffed monkey. It was so obviously being used as a device early on, which I believe answers your question "at what point did they shuffle into the clinic for all the fake family memories?" Basically they were just mindless "mimics" of human beings. Of course the heavy-handed narrative is trying to make much of this because they "feel love, emotions, etc" but the reality they are just like the monkey: "Monkey see, monkey do!"

I liked how the exiled Humans went to the trouble of modelling their spacesuits with some kind of retro insectoid Martian look - complete with the ticking noises - purely to fool us, the viewers! 🤔

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

I liked how the exiled Humans went to the trouble of modelling their spacesuits with sone kind of retro insectoid Martian look - complete with the ticking noises - purely to fool us, the viewers! 🤔

Maybe the Synths were initially programmed with an irrational fear of extraterrestrials? So the space marines just 'went with it'? >.<

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

I liked how the exiled Humans went to the trouble of modelling their spacesuits with some kind of retro insectoid Martian look - complete with the ticking noises - purely to fool us, the viewers! 🤔

LOL

I'm still puzzling why machines would want to live in nice houses and wear clothes and all the other stuff. Makes as much sense as your vacuum cleaner telling you it wants to learn Latin. I mean, I get it that humans might want their mechanical assistants to look human (actually I don't, but for the sake of argument...) but the idea that a robot would want to continue this nonsense is ridiculous.

I also wondered why they would want jobs - what use have they for money - they don't shop at Tesco's !!!

@Jacinto Cupboard said:

but the idea that a robot would want to continue this nonsense is ridiculous.

And yet you, as a sentient being, want to "continue this nonsense" so....

@Daddie0 said:

@Jacinto Cupboard said:

but the idea that a robot would want to continue this nonsense is ridiculous.

And yet you, as a sentient being, want to "continue this nonsense" so....

The nonsense is not in the wearing of clothes and living in houses etc. The nonsense is in a machine choosing such. Horseshoes are not nonsense. But they become nonsense when you imagine they are suited to a cat.

There is some irony in what you say since the machines, or most of them, are not actually sentient. They have elected, again for reasons that make no sense, to be UNAWARE of their nature.

These machines might be artificial, but they are certainly not intelligent. If this is the best that they can do, then abandoning the planet to them seems to sell ourselves short. The meta answer of course is that it is the writers who are unintelligent.

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