Nothing wrong with liking a movie. I like plenty of bad movies, though this isn't one of them.

If you're genuinely interested in understanding why some folks don't like this one, I'd recommend watching MauLer's video about it on YouTube. He sums up most all of the issues pretty succinctly.

@Ellison Havelock said:

Nothing wrong with liking a movie. I like plenty of bad movies, though this isn't one of them.

If you're genuinely interested in understanding why some folks don't like this one, I'd recommend watching MauLer's video about it on YouTube. He sums up most all of the issues pretty succinctly.

Thing is tho the original star wars trilogy was not all that excellent either tho. it had major flaws, and it didn't have the best acting, writing and plots. all it had was cutting edge special effects for that time and became cult classics.

so for this guy to just rip SOLO apart for views is really nit picking which you can do to any movie.

@MrCharmingMan said:

Thing is tho the original star wars trilogy was not all that excellent either tho. it had major flaws, and it didn't have the best acting, writing and plots. all it had was cutting edge special effects for that time and became cult classics.

so for this guy to just rip SOLO apart for views is really nit picking which you can do to any movie.

I wasn't defending the original trilogy. It is correct that no film is perfect, and that includes the old Star Wars. Though, I believe you are underselling them; I don't think a film becomes a cult classic without some good reason.

My answer, though, was that MauLer did a video highlighting the issues with Solo. That is all that I was pointing out. That fact exists independent of whether the original movies were better or worse than anything else, and his video does not compare the movies. Further, I will disagree with your assessment that MauLer is "nitpicking" the film, provided that we agree that to nitpick is, "to find fault with insignificant details," as the details he takes offense with are not insignificant.

Beyond that, I will return to my original point. There is nothing wrong with liking a movie. I liked The Spirit (2008) enough that I bought the DVD and watch it again on occasion, while still recognizing that most folks generally agree that the movie is terrible. I never argue that it's good, just that I like it.

@MrCharmingMan said:

@Ellison Havelock said:

Nothing wrong with liking a movie. I like plenty of bad movies, though this isn't one of them.

If you're genuinely interested in understanding why some folks don't like this one, I'd recommend watching MauLer's video about it on YouTube. He sums up most all of the issues pretty succinctly.

Thing is tho the original star wars trilogy was not all that excellent either tho. it had major flaws, and it didn't have the best acting, writing and plots. all it had was cutting edge special effects for that time and became cult classics.

so for this guy to just rip SOLO apart for views is really nit picking which you can do to any movie.

Its great that you enjoyed the film but the majority of the population dosent agree with you. If you think this guy is just nitpicking for views go look at all the other videos explaining what is wrong with Solo. There are literally hundreds of videos on YT about it. If you cant see their points than you are just shilling hard. No film is perfect and no film will be universally loved by every single person that watches it. But when you take a brand like SW and invest millions into a film and the majority of the fans hate it to the point where they are boycotting it...you know you fucked up.

@Ellison Havelock said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

Thing is tho the original star wars trilogy was not all that excellent either tho. it had major flaws, and it didn't have the best acting, writing and plots. all it had was cutting edge special effects for that time and became cult classics.

so for this guy to just rip SOLO apart for views is really nit picking which you can do to any movie.

I wasn't defending the original trilogy. It is correct that no film is perfect, and that includes the old Star Wars. Though, I believe you are underselling them; I don't think a film becomes a cult classic without some good reason.

My answer, though, was that MauLer did a video highlighting the issues with Solo. That is all that I was pointing out. That fact exists independent of whether the original movies were better or worse than anything else, and his video does not compare the movies. Further, I will disagree with your assessment that MauLer is "nitpicking" the film, provided that we agree that to nitpick is, "to find fault with insignificant details," as the details he takes offense with are not insignificant.

Beyond that, I will return to my original point. There is nothing wrong with liking a movie. I liked The Spirit (2008) enough that I bought the DVD and watch it again on occasion, while still recognizing that most folks generally agree that the movie is terrible. I never argue that it's good, just that I like it.

Well it seems the SW fans are just being way too overly critical on all the SW films. I get that they are die hard fans and expect the best, but you can satisfy everyone. If they really don't like it then they should just not watch it. The SW films will continue to make a ton of movie either way.

I didn't care for Phantom Menace, Attack of The Clones, and Revenge of The Sith(I think thats what it was called) but I definitely was excited as hell when they all came out and couldn't wait to watch them all.

Same with A Force Awakens, Rogue, Last Jedi, and now Solo. I know going in that they won't be perfect and they'll be long and they'll have flaws. But I'm just happy they are making new SW films and I'll keep seeing them. I'm not going to go on forums and rip them to shreds whats the point?

@MrCharmingMan

Without getting too off-track here, I think what you've mentioned about people being too critical, not being able to please everyone, etc. is correct. It is a symptom of a greater problem at work - that being the increasing degree of polarization and politicization of the greater society, which is actively being done via media at large. As media becomes more a vehicle for ideology, it cannot help but push part of the audience away (i.e. create an arbitrary division, label one side as 'the other,' and thereby establish a problem). But again, I don't want to get too off-track from Solo.

The movie has numerous objective problems. Film, like any other art, has certain standards that it can and should be held to; that tends to be overlooked by many people, in my experience. I've heard enough people claim that a movie should "just be enjoyed." That's true in a sense, up to a point. But when somebody such as MauLer or King Emperor Penguin or Dishonoured Wolf sees issues that they can't easily set aside, they speak out. Evidently, there are enough people that agree with them. At some point, the issue is no longer an obscure minority of people who are nitpicking, but a mass of people. Considering Solo has only a 65% on Rotten Tomatoes (and that's after RT omits the bottom 20% of negative reviews), I think we can agree that there is something telling here.

I suppose the greater point I'm trying to make is this: a problem always consists of at least two opposite forces working against one another. If some fans don't like a movie (i.e. any other movie which has ever been made), then people get on with their lives. In the case of Solo and the rest of the recent Star Wars projects, the situation is clearly greater than that. There is clearly a problem, which means there are at least two forces working against each other, which means it simply cannot be "a fanbase problem" and nothing else. There is somebody actively pushing back against people like me, like MauLer, etc. I am not saying you are doing it, only that it I believe it is happening.

@Ellison Havelock said:

@MrCharmingMan

Without getting too off-track here, I think what you've mentioned about people being too critical, not being able to please everyone, etc. is correct. It is a symptom of a greater problem at work - that being the increasing degree of polarization and politicization of the greater society, which is actively being done via media at large. As media becomes more a vehicle for ideology, it cannot help but push part of the audience away (i.e. create an arbitrary division, label one side as 'the other,' and thereby establish a problem). But again, I don't want to get too off-track from Solo.

The movie has numerous objective problems. Film, like any other art, has certain standards that it can and should be held to; that tends to be overlooked by many people, in my experience. I've heard enough people claim that a movie should "just be enjoyed." That's true in a sense, up to a point. But when somebody such as MauLer or King Emperor Penguin or Dishonoured Wolf sees issues that they can't easily set aside, they speak out. Evidently, there are enough people that agree with them. At some point, the issue is no longer an obscure minority of people who are nitpicking, but a mass of people. Considering Solo has only a 65% on Rotten Tomatoes (and that's after RT omits the bottom 20% of negative reviews), I think we can agree that there is something telling here.

I suppose the greater point I'm trying to make is this: a problem always consists of at least two opposite forces working against one another. If some fans don't like a movie (i.e. any other movie which has ever been made), then people get on with their lives. In the case of Solo and the rest of the recent Star Wars projects, the situation is clearly greater than that. There is clearly a problem, which means there are at least two forces working against each other, which means it simply cannot be "a fanbase problem" and nothing else. There is somebody actively pushing back against people like me, like MauLer, etc. I am not saying you are doing it, only that it I believe it is happening.

Ellison,

I appreciate you taking the time to respond and to respond intelligently without trolling off course, but I just feel all of the hate on the SW films is pointless. The SW films will continue to be made and make a ton of money. The studios might take note of the complaints and backlash, but at the end of the day Disney made an investment and you best believe they will get the biggest return on their investment buying the SW brand.

Shoot look at Disneyland and DisneyWorld they are transforming their parks into SW lands. So whether the critics and haters like it or not SW films will still be pumping out every few years or every year and they will make a ton of money.

All of the hater will not boycott the films maybe realistically like 10 to 15% will boycott but 80 to 90% will get all excited again just as I do and so many else will. So its kinda pointless to rip apart these SW films.

Like I said none of the SW films are even all that great. At best they are just cult classics. So the haters should not act like any of them were Citizen Kane or the Godfather because none of them were ever all that great to begin with. They are fantasy epic rides that we take for 2 hours and yes hopefully we are entertained while on that ride.

But to actually sit down and criticize them seems like waste of time and energy. They are not Oscar worthy, level movies so lets never act like they are or will be.

Have a great weekend.

@MrCharmingMan said:

I thought it was a solid flick. Han's backstory was done well and you actually felt sorry for him for having it so tough and you wanted to root for him.

Loved the train robbery scene that was also done very well.

I'm not sure I'd want to see a part 2 though, not sure how well they can do a sequel, unless they really make us care for Jabba The Hut, cause thats what they kept implying was the big gangster doing a big operation for right?

Loved the surprise twist of who was the leader of Crimson at the end, he's still one of my favorite characters in this universe.

I thought it was predictable.

The SW films will continue to be made and make a ton of money.

I would just like to point out that no, Solo did not make a ton of money. In fact it has under performed so bad that Disney is currently looking for a replacement for Kennedy. Will SW as a brand continue to make tons of money, yes via parks and cartoons and toys. But the fans have spoken when it comes to the films, they are not happy and Disney has heard them. Course it only took a major boycott of a film for them to listen but still.

@Ellison Havelock said:

Without getting too off-track here, I think what you've mentioned about people being too critical, not being able to please everyone, etc. is correct. It is a symptom of a greater problem at work - that being the increasing degree of polarization and politicization of the greater society, which is actively being done via media at large. As media becomes more a vehicle for ideology, it cannot help but push part of the audience away (i.e. create an arbitrary division, label one side as 'the other,' and thereby establish a problem). But again, I don't want to get too off-track from Solo.

No, dude, get off track from Solo. This is interesting stuff. Far more interesting than the tired Star Wars debate.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond and to respond intelligently without trolling off course, but I just feel all of the hate on the SW films is pointless. The SW films will continue to be made and make a ton of money.

Wrong. Solo bombed and it bombed hard, because it made less than it cost. And very likely it is the result of the boycott (The Avengers movies prove that "fatigue" has nothing to do with it). So yes, the "haters" do have an impact. By the way, calling people "haters" just because they dislike a movie that you personally like, is not only obnoxious but acting like a shill and a cheerleader who cannot deal with opposing views. Someone needs to grow up.

Shoot look at Disneyland and DisneyWorld they are transforming their parks into SW lands. So whether the critics and haters like it or not SW films will still be pumping out every few years or every year and they will make a ton of money.

This has been answered. Star Wars The Last Jedi is a huge disappointment on BluRay because people knew how much the movie sucked and didn't fall for it again like they did in the theaters. The Last Jedi was a success in the theaters but only because people still expected a good SW movie. Word of mouth, however, quickly made the box office returns of The Last Jedi slump in the second, third and later weeks. Solo: a Star Wars Movie bombed. The more these movies will underperform or even bomb, the more likely it will be that Disney will NOT be investing this much money into the franchise. These investments are based on how much many SW films made in the past. If this trend is over and SW start underperforming or even bombing, don't bet any money on Disney still investing as much cash into it. Disney is a corporation and corporations are not going to stupidly throw money into money pits. By the way, already there is talk that the planned solo films for Boba Fett and Obi Wan Kenobi have been put on hold because of how hard the Han Solo movie bombed. So this directly contradicts your point that Disney will continue to just pump out SW movies regardless of what they make. Simply put, you are giving no arguments. Just pro-SW propaganda based on nothing.

All of the hater will not boycott the films maybe realistically like 10 to 15% will boycott but 80 to 90% will get all excited again just as I do and so many else will. So its kinda pointless to rip apart these SW films.

Eh NO. Again, you are ignoring the facts. If 80 to 90 percent of the fans went to see "Solo: a Star Wars movie" together with casual movie goers, the movie would not have bombed so hard. Clearly, much more than 10 to 15% of the "haters" boycotted the film. And the fact that Solo made so little money, relatively speaking, means that casual movie going people didn't go for it either. Or at least it would have been as successfull as the horrible Transformer movies, which have no hard-core "fans" and PLENTY of haters.

Like I said none of the SW films are even all that great. At best they are just cult classics.

This is just your opinion. Not a stated fact. Box Office results, the movies being designated movie classics, merchandise sales, and spawning a large community of hardcore fans clearly prove that your opinion on the quality of the earlier SW movies is irrelevant. Again, you are acting like a SJW-Kathleen Kennedy shill that even goes so far as to bash the original trilogy in order to boost up the crap The Last Jedi and Solo movies. Nobody is falling for it though. Not even if you call them "haters".

So the haters should not act like any of them were Citizen Kane or the Godfather because none of them were ever all that great to begin with. They are fantasy epic rides that we take for 2 hours and yes hopefully we are entertained while on that ride.

The "haters" decide for themselves how good they think the original trilogy is. That is not up to you.

But to actually sit down and criticize them seems like waste of time and energy.

Again, that is YOUR opinion. And obviously plenty of people disagree with you. Whether you like it or not, people are not falling for the "modernization" of SW and its shills. You can call them haters all you want.

Have a great weekend.

You too.