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Captain Marvel "Plot Holes" [spoilers of course]
posted by InnovatorSTAFFMOD on March 13, 2019 at 4:43 PM
There’s a new trend on YouTube of people pointing out plot holes in the Captain Marvel movie. Since I’ve watched everything Marvel has put out in the movies and television, as well as have been an avid comic collector for nearly 40 years (yeah, I’m a geek), I guess I’m in a unique position to address supposed “plot holes” brought up.
◾ Nick Fury says the acronym S.H.I.E.L.D. when referring to his organization in the movie set in 1995, while in the movie Iron Man set in 2010 (according to the official MCU timeline sent by Marvel though other sources have set it in 2009), Phil Coulson refers to it as the Strategic Homeland Intervention Enforcement and Logistics Division, and states they are still working on shortening it.
Explanation: Phil Coulson likes to mess with people. The organization has been called S.H.I.E.L.D. since its inception.
▫ In the TV show Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode 2.17 “Melinda” the flashbacks in it were set in 2008 (before Iron Man) the agents were already using the acronym, Melinda May herself says S.H.I.E.L.D. as does Phil Coulson, however when Coulson tried to stall he stated the full title.
▫ In the Agent Carter Marvel One Shot set sometime after World War II, Howard Stark refers to the new organization using the acronym S.H.I.E.L.D.
◾ How did Mar-Vell get the Tesseract?
Explanation: Mar-Vell used her advanced scientific knowledge to fenagled her way into working for Project P.E.G.A.S.U.S.
▫ In the Avengers Movie, it is established that Howard Stark gave the Tesseract to S.H.I.E.L.D. after fishing it out from the ocean.
▫ In Iron Man 2, it is established that Howard Stark worked on Project P.E.G.A.S.U.S.
▫ In the Captain Marvel movie, it is shown the Doctor Wendy Lawson (Mar-Vell) also works for Project P.E.G.A.S.U.S. to create a light speed drive using the Tesseract.
▫ In the Avengers, Eric Selvig is seen working on the Tesseract at Project P.E.G.A.S.U.S. (the same set is used in both the Avengers and Captain Marvel).
◾ How did Fury know about Aliens in 1995? It is stated in the Avengers, that S.H.I.E.L.D. started working on weapons because of the alien attack that leveled a small town in the movie Thor.
Explanation: Fury lied and just played off Thor who asked about it. It was established before Captain Marvel that Fury already knew about the Kree before The Avengers movie.
▫ In The Avengers, it is established that Fury keeps secrets, and that his secrets keep secrets.
▫ In the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series episode 1.11 “The Magical Place”, flashbacks show Fury saved Phil Coulson after his stabbing in the Avengers using Project T.A.H.I.T.I.
▫ It is discovered in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series episode 1.14 “T.A.H.I.T.I.”, that Project T.A.H.I.T.I. used a dead Kree body to save Phil Coulson.
▫ In the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series episode 1.22 “The Beginning of the End”, Fury himself states that Project T.A.H.I.T.I. was created as part of the Avengers Initiative, to heal fallen Avengers.
◾ How is Stan Lee rehearsing the lines of Mall Rats in 1995 when the movie was released in 1995?
Explanation: Mall Rats was filmed between March and April of 1995, and released on October of that same year.
◾ Why didn’t Nick Fury call on Captain Marvel during the Chitari invasion in The Avengers, and the robot uprising of Age of Ultron?
Explanation: We’ll find out in End Game. Current theory is it’s because Fury believed in his Avengers Initiative so didn’t see the need until Infinity War where people were disappearing in front of him during the Decimation (Snap).
Any other plot holes, bothering y’all that need explaining?
Reply by Billions
on March 13, 2019 at 7:40 PM
I also wasn't happy with shield in this and Nick was rubbish in this.
Reply by Innovator
on March 13, 2019 at 7:46 PM
In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Most people was pretty happy Nick Fury and Maria Hill showed up in the series and wish they'd do so again some day.
Reply by Billions
on March 13, 2019 at 8:15 PM
No, in Captain Marvel.
Reply by Innovator
on March 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM
That's not really a plot hole, but ok.
Reply by rvcanuck
on March 18, 2019 at 2:15 PM
More of a nitpick but, according to Guardians of the Galaxy, the Nova Empire and the Kree Empire were still at war at the time this movie was set. I kept wondering why the Kree soldiers were all attacking Skrulls without any mention of this OTHER galactic war they were supposed to be fighting.
Reply by Innovator
on March 18, 2019 at 2:33 PM
That's a good one. I'd have to go with how the Kree are portrayed in the comics. They're pretty much the Romans in space, so the war with the Nova Empire was probably less important to the Kree than it was to the Nova Corps. Dealing with shapeshifting spies would likely be given more precedence. In Guardians of the Galaxy, it seemed the Kree didn't really have much respect for the Nova Corps and only signed a treaty with them as they had other things to deal with. Only Ronan remained a holdout, and even then the Kree didn't seem to care about anything Ronan was doing, nor bother to do anything about it.
Maybe in a future, Captain Marvel or Guardians of the Galaxy (or maybe a Nova standalone film) will deal more with the Kree/Nova war.
Reply by rollotamasi123
on March 28, 2019 at 12:22 PM
Good stuff. Well done.
Just to add:
1) Fury thought the team he formed could handle it and they did. If Loki had taken NYC, Fury would have called Captain Marvel.
2) Who's to say she would have made it in time? The Battle of NY takes a few hours tops.
3) To add that point, who's to say Fury didn't call her after the portal opened up and she gets there and it's over. In the movie (CM), at one point a Kree (I think Atlas), said the closest jump point to planet C-53 (Earth) was 22 hours. CM would probably be a little miffed about coming all that way for nothing.
4) Which would make Fury a little hesitant about pressing that button going forward
5) This would be another strong reason for her absence with Ultron in Sokovia. The Avengers had successfully handled NYC so . . .
Reply by Innovator
on March 28, 2019 at 5:02 PM
True. Everyone who wonders why Fury never called in Captain Marvel never thinks about the travel time back to Earth from the other side of the galaxy. They think she can get back to Earth instantly from wherever. She's doesn't have use of the Bifrost like Thor does.
Reply by RodimusConvoy
on March 29, 2019 at 9:43 AM
The show takes cues from the movies, not the other way around. Its a weird situation where while for the most part neither contradicts the other, nevertheless the movies have seniority when it comes to canon. If it wasn't mentioned there it doesn't count.
I remember Whedon said as far as he's concerned, Coulson is dead, and he either wrote or co-wrote the pilot! And while yes he's gone, the Russos could have easily made a statement saying that mandate is over, but their silence is tacit agreement with said mandate.
Just saying when trying to work out discrepancies for Captain Marvel, for now its best to leave out whatever was said or happened in the series.
Reply by Innovator
on March 29, 2019 at 3:03 PM
That's bullshit. I can site you many reasons why that is not true, but the bottom line is Marvel has always maintained that the TV show is cannon. Hell, Disney itself went out of its way to make sure the show didn't get canceled when ABC wanted to cancel it (due to low ratings). Just because you say so doesn't make it so. Until Marvel says otherwise, the show is cannon to the MCU.
Reply by Innovator
on April 19, 2019 at 12:08 AM
Here's another "plot hole" that comes up a lot:
◾ How did Carol Danvers survive the energy blast from the Space Stone (Tesseract).
Explanation: It's never been established that all the infinity stones kill humans who uses them or absorbs their energy immediately except for the power stone (which was established in Guardians of the Galaxy).
▫ In Avengers: Infinity War, it clearly shows that the Red Skull was merely teleported by Tesseract to Vormir, also the energies that Wanda wields is the same as the energy inside the Mind Stone.
▫ In Avengers: Age of Ultron, the twins Wanda and Pietro Maximoff both got their powers from the Mind Stone, which killed other people it was attempted on except them due to sheer willpower and hate towards Tony Stark.
▫ In Thor the Dark World, the Aether, aka the Reality Stone, was inside of Jane Foster for an extended period without killing her.
▫ In Captain Marvel, it is established that the Tesseract energy she absorbed was killing her, but she was saved by a blood transfusion with Yon-Rogg.
Reply by RodimusConvoy
on April 19, 2019 at 7:11 AM
Cause I say so? I'll try this again: " I remember Whedon said as far as he's concerned, Coulson is dead, and he either wrote or co-wrote the pilot! And while yes he's gone, the Russos could have easily made a statement saying that mandate is over, but their silence is tacit agreement with said mandate."
Citation
Again, all Marvel has to do is say now no longer the case. How hard would it be, the Russos seem to love interviews.
"That's bullshit", huh? No, what's bullshit is you getting emotional cause I suggested your pet theory doesn't work. What's bullshit is you offering zero citation to backup said pet theory. Grow up, innovator.
Reply by Innovator
on April 19, 2019 at 7:38 AM
Marvel has always maintained it's a shared universe, no one at Marvel or Disney in the last 10+ years has ever stated otherwise. What Whedon is saying that as far as the Avengers themselves are concerned Coulson is dead, but that doesn't mean others don't know he's alive. There was a scene in Avengers Age of Ultron where Nick Fury mentions that a friend pulled a hellicarier out of moth balls, on episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D before the release of the movie it showed Coulson doing just that. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D gave away the ending of Captain America Winter Soldier 2 days after it's release. That would not have happened if the Russos didn't collude with the series before hand. So I called you out on your bullshit pet theory, and you're the one acting like a child about it.
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Reply by Innovator
on April 27, 2019 at 1:54 AM
Spoiler: We finally get someone from a Marvel TV series to appear in a Marvel movie (Endgame)! So much for your pet theory. #Itsallconnected