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I find that there were more cool Black Panther scenes in CIVIL WAR, than there were cool Black Panther scenes in Black Panther the movie.... at least if we talk about fighting scenes.

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@Damienracer said:

@Renovatio said:

@Damienracer said:

@Renovatio said:

They intentionally don't want the action and violence to be more real... These movies are for pre-teens and families with small children... Might as well show boobs and rear male nudity while you're at it... 😂

I was surprised that the waterfall fight was as violent as it was and not just CGI light sprinkles, but i suppose they couldn't get away with it given the setting...

Pre teens? And families with small children? You are one stupid fuckk. And if so why did you watch BP? You're clearly sterile so you must be a pre tit.

You're very sensitive about this aren't you?

Of course these are kids movies... Just as you'll find adults going to see Pixar CGI cartoons, you'll have adults see superhero movies... It doesn't mean they are not kids shows for families to share... They are...

I didn't mean to suggest that you were immature for watching these shows... However, you certainly are immature given your juvenile posting style and overly defensive swearing...

You're an idiot. And a smug swine to boot.

Q.E.D. 😎

@Renovatio said:

Families will not take their children to see these movies if these heros start drawing blood, cracking skulls and breaking necks with bare hands...

I don't have those kind of expectations. I don't think either WS or CV had those elements in them. But it's more about the way they are shot. The sound effects, the choreography and sharp editing. And most importantly: the practical over CGI. The Russo Brothers are very good at making you feel every impact, every scrape, every crush. They pull off the incredible feat of making the fantastical look gritty and real.

It's OK to admit that the Russo brothers are better at directing action. The Winter Soldier and Civil War had great fight scenes and also maintained a light feel to suit the PG-13 rating. Neither film comes off as too dark to scare away children and both have some comedic elements to them. Ryan Coogler had previously directed a sports drama and a biographical drama. He was a little out of his element when it came to the big action spectacle and it showed. The final fight with Killmonger and T'Challa in the panther suits did look a little cartoony and the war between the tribes with the armored Rhinos looked awful in my opinion. It doesn't mean the black panther is a bad film I just hope they are able to fix this if they invite Coogler back to direct the sequel. From what I have read about the upcoming infinity war it might be the darkest film yet that will have a few major deaths.

@nolesjs17 said:

It's OK to admit that the Russo brothers are better at directing action. The Winter Soldier and Civil War had great fight scenes and also maintained a light feel to suit the PG-13 rating. Neither film comes off as too dark to scare away children and both have some comedic elements to them. Ryan Coogler had previously directed a sports drama and a biographical drama. He was a little out of his element when it came to the big action spectacle and it showed. The final fight with Killmonger and T'Challa in the panther suits did look a little cartoony and the war between the tribes with the armored Rhinos looked awful in my opinion. It doesn't mean the black panther is a bad film I just hope they are able to fix this if they invite Coogler back to direct the sequel. From what I have read about the upcoming infinity war it might be the darkest film yet that will have a few major deaths.

I agree the rhino stampeding battle was mediocre and very jumanjesque. I disagree with you about the one on one fight.

@JustinJackFlash said:

@Renovatio said:

Families will not take their children to see these movies if these heros start drawing blood, cracking skulls and breaking necks with bare hands...

I don't have those kind of expectations. I don't think either WS or CV had those elements in them. But it's more about the way they are shot. The sound effects, the choreography and sharp editing. And most importantly: the practical over CGI. The Russo Brothers are very good at making you feel every impact, every scrape, every crush. They pull off the incredible feat of making the fantastical look gritty and real.

This sums up my opinion of "quality fights." It is not that I want blood or increased viciousness (though they have their value) but rather that I want what we get to be well done. Directors have been ruining fight sequences for decades now. When you watch the behind the scenes footage of Christian Bale training in the nascent Batman fighting style against multiple assailants you see an amazing fight. In the movie you get a bunch of blurry edits and zoomed in camera work that obscures the action. Many directors are trying too hard and don't know when they should be hands-off. And some directors have that ability to actually enhance the scene like the Russo Bros. A good fight scene doesn't even have to be an actual "good fight." Watch John Carpenter's They Live for an example of that claim.

@Horus Mazinga said:

This sums up my opinion of "quality fights." It is not that I want blood or increased viciousness (though they have their value) but rather that I want what we get to be well done. Directors have been ruining fight sequences for decades now. When you watch the behind the scenes footage of Christian Bale training in the nascent Batman fighting style against multiple assailants you see an amazing fight. In the movie you get a bunch of blurry edits and zoomed in camera work that obscures the action. Many directors are trying too hard and don't know when they should be hands-off. And some directors have that ability to actually enhance the scene like the Russo Bros. A good fight scene doesn't even have to be an actual "good fight." Watch John Carpenter's They Live for an example of that claim.

I concur.

I've always thought Nolan's fight scenes to be the weakest of his abilities. In the Batman films he argues that those scenes are shot to give the feeling of fear, presenting Batman as akin to a monster in a horror film. That's why he shoots them so we can't really see what's happening. And that may well be his intention but I don't think it comes across that well.

Jackie Chan's The Foreigner had excellent hand to hand combat... You really feel the hits land because they don't cut away the way most American movies do, even a lot of Jackie Chan's previous Hollywood ones...

Speaking of great fight scenes - and gosh there are many - I was impressed by “ Universal Soldier: Day of Reckoning“, especially in that scene I link to below. In Fact the last two Universal Soldier movies are grossly underrated and a league of their own... cannot really be compared to the others.

Enjoy: https://youtu.be/GE1M3mS77W4

@HAL 9010' said:

Speaking of great fight scenes - and gosh there are many - I was impressed by “ Universal Soldier: Day of Reckoning“, especially in that scene I link to below. In Fact the last two Universal Soldier movies are grossly underrated and a league of their own... cannot really be compared to the others.

Enjoy: https://youtu.be/GE1M3mS77W4

Oh yes! I forgot all about that fight. So good. Renovatio mentioned Jackie Chan so I feel obligated to post some of his Hong Kong stuff. First two are 10/10 fights (well, they are all good) and then skip to 17:55

assorted Chan fights

Having finally seen Black Panther I can officially concur- The fighting was definitely better in Civil War. BP was still pretty good though.

Black Panther was definitely a game changer, which is why it did so well at the box office. On a side note, here are some things I pointed out about the movie from a Biblical perspective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt_Q__bhMYM

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