Discussão Planeta dos Macacos: A Guerra

Wauuu I am disappointed in Matt Reeves. And this dude got the helm of The Batman. Yikess....

List of dumb things that should have been reconsidered in the script:

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  • Guard locks himself (with keys to their shackles) in an enclosure of angry apes to do something he easily could do from outside the enclosure in safety

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  • The Colonel goes himself to the Apes lair in his second attack on them, because???

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  • The Men goes back and captures all the apes in their third attack, to build a wall against helicopters…. I repeat; HELICOPTERS. And likely against an army which is just a couple of days away. Sure Woody, that is worth the trouble and risk indeed. Not.

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  • The Men who just got their asses kicked by the Apes goes back to the Apes lair, while really their attention is on a coming army of attacking men, and yet they deem it is necessary to attack and capture apes for construction work.… so the men are essentially thinking; "let us capture Apes who we know can beat us (so we probably cannot catch them) to build a wall we have no time to build and a wall we do not really need".

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  • Girl's dad (or protector or liberator) is killed and she cares less about it. And the next day she cries her eyes out over the death of an ape who gave her one flower... and who also helped kill her dad btw.

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  • 100% of the winning army storms the exploding fortress of The Colonel (did we learn nothing from Batman Rises??)

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  • 100% of the wining and well equipped army got wiped out in an avalanche… yep, this happened. No, really.

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  • ONE avalanche killed off the Human race... without the Apes this was bound to happen. So really it is "Planet of the Avalanche".

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  • Caesar travels with his people across a great distance to never attend his wound from the arrow and dies because of it. Smart Ape?

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  • No ape sees that Caesar is bloody and fatally wounded in their travels. Guessing he is no hugger

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  • The virus takes humans ability to speak away…. Yes, fair enough. But come on, it should make them gradually dumber or similar. The speech effect which apparently happened within the blink of an eye (not gradual), is well…. show us to de-evolutionize in a more credible way, just saying.

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  • Soldier man who was spared by the hero and who the movie shows us is conflicted through the whole story is given the perfect moment to show mercy, and is then blown away by an redeeming Ape who was a dick the whole time.

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  • The Ape who was a dick the whole time is having a change of heart while he stands next to a giant machine gun, and who notices a leaking gas tank that can end the bad men in one blow…. And then decides to stop one solider in his track with one grenade (next rewrite of the script should have him overpower the machine gun and go nuts until taken out…)

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  • Was not about a War for the planet of the Apes. Was about forced construction work, while someone else is fighting a war for some evil lair.

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  • The plot was a revenge story that puts our hero in the middle of a a conflict situation, which he has little to no biff in and no influence on and from which he escapes in the end.... this is the story. The conclusion to the Trilogi. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly epic.

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CONCLUSION: Matt Reeves, whoever you are or whatever you are… a skilled story teller you are not.

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The bad guy spends three quarters of the plot developing his masterplan to control the apes, defeat the other humans and preserve humanity only to succumb to the virus at the precise moment the other humans attack the base. You could argue this results in an anticlimax wasting the character.

As you mention, the plot is about using the apes for construction work, the colonel doesn't want to exterminate them so it's not much of a 'war' between human and ape. The trailers sold the movie as human vs ape but the colonel is fighting other humans! You could argue the trailers were deliberately misleading. I thought 'war' meant a battle to the death - the extermination of ape kind - but the apes were merely locked up as slaves.

The lack of any guards around the main entrance to the base thereby allowing the girl to stroll inside despite the fact the other apes in her group questioned how to get inside! They had to work out a complex plan using tunnels but she managed to walk inside without getting spotted.

Caesar's son and wife don't get a burial. Given how the trilogy sets up the notion apes have human type emotions I reckon the apes would bury their loved ones. We have no idea what happens to Caesar's dead family. I accept a burial scene would add extra length to the running time but it might have been worth adding a brief scene.

Overall I enjoyed the movie. None of the stuff I've mentioned bothered me too much. The cgi was so good I just went along with the plot. The apes found their new home. ☺

@HAL 9010' said:

  • Girl's dad (or protector or liberator) is killed and she cares less about it. And the next day she cries her eyes out over the death of an ape who gave her one flower... and who also helped kill her dad btw.

Maybe her father was a-hole. Regardless of its flaws. I think it was one of the better movies that came out in 2017.

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