Discuss Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Now that the Skywalker saga is done whats next for SW????

Are the studio suits gonna wait and see how much money TROS makes or tanks first???

With the popularity and success of Mandalorian I'd prefer something like that instead.

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I believe Disney have said they arent planning on doing anymore 'saga' movies and are just planning on making stand alone films from the universe. We cant really guess where they are going to go with SW in the film universe since Kennedy will need to pass on her responsibilities to a new person once her two years are up, but you can be sure some of the Marvel guys will be coming over to give SW a hand considering how much money they were able to bring in for Disney.

But if I had to guess, I think SW will continue on Disney+ for a few years and than make a big come back to the big screen. Hopefully Disney actually listens to fans and brings in people that are actually passionate about SW and not just suits ready to interject SJW/politics into the series. Rise wont be bringing in the money Disney wanted, the three day has already shown that, but SW will continue to live on.

OddRob pretty much nailed it-- I'd read the same thing in some major metropolitan newspaper articles shortly before the release of The Rise of Skywalker:

No more trilogies, standalone movies only, first tentative release date 2022, and then every two to three years after that. I have read more recently, however, that the release dates might be moved out further and that Disney might not release future Star Wars movies so close together (presumably to avoid saturation and "Star Wars fatigue").

As for future storylines? I don't know, but my guess is that these future films will contain completely different actors and characters, with no or very little carryover from any of the three trilogies from 1977 - 2019, with completely new stories. I suspect, to an older, "first generation" fan such as myself, these films will just appear to be Sci-Fi films with the Star Wars label thrown on to them-- and, with newer, perhaps less-jaded younger fans, that might work for Disney; only time will tell.

As for myself, after 40 years of watching Star Wars, I'm done with the franchise. The Rise of Skywalker wrapped it up for me (and I thought the film did an adequate job of closing the three trilogies, although mine seems to be the minority opinion), and I'm ready to move on to other things.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was a decent popcorn film. I didn’t take it too seriously, didn’t think too much about the plot, so I enjoyed the humor and action. I thought Rey was more rounded this time( you see her training, messing up, scared, beaten but not giving up, etc). Finn had better screen presence this time, Poe was actually funny in a less forced way.

Of the 3 sequels, I like the best. Could have used more cowbells, though. Or coconut-carrying sparrows.

This was also my favorite film of the sequels, catmydogs. Everyone was there; SPOILER!!! I didn't even mind the kiss between Rey and Kylo at the end, which I think for many was just a bridge too far. Perhaps I am getting soft in my middle age.

I've written a review of the film in the thread "Fan gives detailed breakdown why ROS and trilogy failed . . ." by fan_of_films, if you'd like to take a look.

In short, I think "The Rise of Skywalker" will be looked on more favorably by Star Wars fans as time goes on. We'll see.

@OddRob said:

I believe Disney have said they arent planning on doing anymore 'saga' movies and are just planning on making stand alone films from the universe. We cant really guess where they are going to go with SW in the film universe since Kennedy will need to pass on her responsibilities to a new person once her two years are up, but you can be sure some of the Marvel guys will be coming over to give SW a hand considering how much money they were able to bring in for Disney.

But if I had to guess, I think SW will continue on Disney+ for a few years and than make a big come back to the big screen. Hopefully Disney actually listens to fans and brings in people that are actually passionate about SW and not just suits ready to interject SJW/politics into the series. Rise wont be bringing in the money Disney wanted, the three day has already shown that, but SW will continue to live on.

Really? how bad was opening weekend? Did it really tank?

Yeah I love MANDO! Its so much superior to the trilogy flicks. I say let John Faverou do the rest of the SW flicks since he's killing it with Mando!

@northcoast said:

OddRob pretty much nailed it-- I'd read the same thing in some major metropolitan newspaper articles shortly before the release of The Rise of Skywalker:

No more trilogies, standalone movies only, first tentative release date 2022, and then every two to three years after that. I have read more recently, however, that the release dates might be moved out further and that Disney might not release future Star Wars movies so close together (presumably to avoid saturation and "Star Wars fatigue").

As for future storylines? I don't know, but my guess is that these future films will contain completely different actors and characters, with no or very little carryover from any of the three trilogies from 1977 - 2019, with completely new stories. I suspect, to an older, "first generation" fan such as myself, these films will just appear to be Sci-Fi films with the Star Wars label thrown on to them-- and, with newer, perhaps less-jaded younger fans, that might work for Disney; only time will tell.

As for myself, after 40 years of watching Star Wars, I'm done with the franchise. The Rise of Skywalker wrapped it up for me (and I thought the film did an adequate job of closing the three trilogies, although mine seems to be the minority opinion), and I'm ready to move on to other things.

Yeah definitely feeling the SW fatigue, shoot look how much The Disney SW lands failed , they lost a ton of money on those and it was the first year Universal Studios kicked their you know what in theme park ticket sales!

@MrCharmingMan said:

@OddRob said:

I believe Disney have said they arent planning on doing anymore 'saga' movies and are just planning on making stand alone films from the universe. We cant really guess where they are going to go with SW in the film universe since Kennedy will need to pass on her responsibilities to a new person once her two years are up, but you can be sure some of the Marvel guys will be coming over to give SW a hand considering how much money they were able to bring in for Disney.

But if I had to guess, I think SW will continue on Disney+ for a few years and than make a big come back to the big screen. Hopefully Disney actually listens to fans and brings in people that are actually passionate about SW and not just suits ready to interject SJW/politics into the series. Rise wont be bringing in the money Disney wanted, the three day has already shown that, but SW will continue to live on.

Really? how bad was opening weekend? Did it really tank?

Yeah I love MANDO! Its so much superior to the trilogy flicks. I say let John Faverou do the rest of the SW flicks since he's killing it with Mando!

Its not considered a tank really. But if you add up the budget+the reshoots+the marketing in all, this film would have to make over 1 billion to even start to make some of its money back. Rise of Skywalker cost between $250-300 million to produce. But that dosent include the massive reshoots they had to do. Which were a lot considering they had enough footage for three different film edits. So you could easily add to its original budget $200-$300 million. Plus the standard industry x2 for marketing. So another $200-$300 million. So I believe we are looking at almost a $1 billion movie to produce and market. Of course Disney will never give the official numbers, but outlets are pretty good at guessing budgets by now.

Now consider that Disney dosent get all the profits, cinemas take their own share as well. So you can imagine how much money this film would have to pull in to even break even for Disney. But it can still do it, we have to wait and see how well it will perform this Christmas and also this coming weekend. If it drops really low in % than I think we can consider it a financial tank at that point.

@OddRob said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@OddRob said:

I believe Disney have said they arent planning on doing anymore 'saga' movies and are just planning on making stand alone films from the universe. We cant really guess where they are going to go with SW in the film universe since Kennedy will need to pass on her responsibilities to a new person once her two years are up, but you can be sure some of the Marvel guys will be coming over to give SW a hand considering how much money they were able to bring in for Disney.

But if I had to guess, I think SW will continue on Disney+ for a few years and than make a big come back to the big screen. Hopefully Disney actually listens to fans and brings in people that are actually passionate about SW and not just suits ready to interject SJW/politics into the series. Rise wont be bringing in the money Disney wanted, the three day has already shown that, but SW will continue to live on.

Really? how bad was opening weekend? Did it really tank?

Yeah I love MANDO! Its so much superior to the trilogy flicks. I say let John Faverou do the rest of the SW flicks since he's killing it with Mando!

Its not considered a tank really. But if you add up the budget+the reshoots+the marketing in all, this film would have to make over 1 billion to even start to make some of its money back. Rise of Skywalker cost between $250-300 million to produce. But that dosent include the massive reshoots they had to do. Which were a lot considering they had enough footage for three different film edits. So you could easily add to its original budget $200-$300 million. Plus the standard industry x2 for marketing. So another $200-$300 million. So I believe we are looking at almost a $1 billion movie to produce and market. Of course Disney will never give the official numbers, but outlets are pretty good at guessing budgets by now.

Now consider that Disney dosent get all the profits, cinemas take their own share as well. So you can imagine how much money this film would have to pull in to even break even for Disney. But it can still do it, we have to wait and see how well it will perform this Christmas and also this coming weekend. If it drops really low in % than I think we can consider it a financial tank at that point.

Looking at the movie it didn't even seem all that high in cost? Most of it was CGI and just basically vague boring CGI. If anything TLJ seemed to cost more with the more elaborate special effects and CGI in that movie verses this one. This one just had Rey running around in the dark caves and on the ocean waves thingy.

The whole chasing the pirate knife ship was corny and didnt even seem all that impressive in terms of special effects and CGI. Even the snake looked like it could have been done a lot better?

Where can Star Wars really go, though? The original thrived because people hadn't seen anything like it in a long time. Some argue that Flash Gordon was its progenitor, but Sci-Fi was always B-movie fare before Star Wars came out. (Exceptions, of course, include Forbidden Planet and 2001: A Space Odyssey.) It was a phenomenon. But we also had very few choices. We had a dozen or so TV channels, VCRs weren't a "thing" yet, and video games were, well, Pong. Now, kids and adults have 100x as many entertainment options.

I think Star Wars isn't anything special. What's left to be said, anyway? The best they can do is produce yet another "Big Bad" and a new epic trilogy. While there are, what, five plots Mankind has ever invented, there are 1,000's of ways of telling these stories without re-visiting Star Wars. I'm expecting that the next big Sci-Fi phenomenon will have absolutely nothing to do with Star Wars, Trek, Buck Rodgers, or all of the other shopworn properties Hollywood keeps endlessly mining.

Who cares what's next for Star Wars?

@AlienFanatic said:

Where can Star Wars really go, though? The original thrived because people hadn't seen anything like it in a long time. Some argue that Flash Gordon was its progenitor, but Sci-Fi was always B-movie fare before Star Wars came out. (Exceptions, of course, include Forbidden Planet and 2001: A Space Odyssey.) It was a phenomenon. But we also had very few choices. We had a dozen or so TV channels, VCRs weren't a "thing" yet, and video games were, well, Pong. Now, kids and adults have 100x as many entertainment options.

I think Star Wars isn't anything special. What's left to be said, anyway? The best they can do is produce yet another "Big Bad" and a new epic trilogy. While there are, what, five plots Mankind has ever invented, there are 1,000's of ways of telling these stories without re-visiting Star Wars. I'm expecting that the next big Sci-Fi phenomenon will have absolutely nothing to do with Star Wars, Trek, Buck Rodgers, or all of the other shopworn properties Hollywood keeps endlessly mining.

Who cares what's next for Star Wars?

Thats all well written and true but at the end of the day if theres a new star wars movie green lit theres still a legion of fans getting excited and counting down the days until its release. A carefully crafted trailer does wonders for the hype machine and yes they'll all do big openings but the fans may not like them or the finish product . Either Disney bought the SW brand for billions so we all know they will milk every little last drop they can via movies, shows, merchandise, games, theme parks etc.

I'm all for a Star Wars film hiatus..maybe a good 5 or 6 years. Milk the franchise for everything its worth on Disney+...a couple dozen SW shows should make the Mouseheads happy!

SW used to be an "event" back in the day...be nice to have that feeling again...probably why Force Awakens made so much bank..people MISSED IT! Sometimes, less is more! Disney has to let people forget this horrid Disney Wars Trilogy even got made...then have ONE talented filmmaker take over a new Trilogy of films.

@jorgito2001 said:

I'm all for a Star Wars film hiatus..maybe a good 5 or 6 years. Milk the franchise for everything its worth on Disney+...a couple dozen SW shows should make the Mouseheads happy!

SW used to be an "event" back in the day...be nice to have that feeling again...probably why Force Awakens made so much bank..people MISSED IT! Sometimes, less is more! Disney has to let people forget this horrid Disney Wars Trilogy even got made...then have ONE talented filmmaker take over a new Trilogy of films.

I agree! How much time passed between Revenge of Sith and Force Awakens? That was enough time to get us all hyped again.

I'd love to see a trilogy on Baby Yoda healing Apollo Creed!

Made $35 Million on Christmas Day which is really good. Time to see how well it will do in its second weekend drop. Def in position to make $1 billion.

I hope that whenever a new film in the franchise comes along that it will be a stand alone project. Which is to say that I expect that the idea of another trilogy should be over with. There are too many problems and expectations with doing three films and truly nothing at all left to say in that way. The Mandalorian and The Clone Wars series are good examples of how individual SW stories should be done. What time frame a new story should be set in and what characters could play a role are questions I'll have to ponder.

They've all been stand alone projects. That was the problem!

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